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Deja Vu - a Kerry Bimbo eruption

Feb 13, 2004 5:08AM PST

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Re:Re: Polarization
Feb 15, 2004 9:35PM PST

Hi Dave,

Let's look at some of your biggest beefs. Patriot Act -- Bipartisan! Education/NCLB -- wasn't that Teddy Kennedy on stage with the Prez at signing? Norm Maneta -- is he not a Democrat? Bush hasn't vetoed a single bill -- even that bloated Dashle farm subsidy. Except for you, and other rabid Bush haters, he has been a uniter.

Evie Happy

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Polarization is the public too, not just the party leaders
Feb 16, 2004 12:12AM PST

"you'd think someone elected by a minority of the popular vote and selected by an unprecedented partisan action of the SCOTUS "

So the phrase "unprecendented partisan action of the SCOTUS" is intended to heal?

The election had problems. You could have asked why with such problems that soandso wasn't done. Sorry Dave, but IMO this is an example of the problem.

"...he's taken a far-right extremist stance."

Your view, you're entitled to those, but while there are points of opinion that are perfectly valid for someone to hold within your post, anyone that isn't in agreement with you is going to be put off by your tone and unwilling to even consider your points. So you alienate instead of convert.

So the spiral continues. Everyone pushes, and everyone pushes back.

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Re:Re:Deja Vu - a Kerry Bimbo eruption...... PartI
Feb 14, 2004 1:56PM PST

The tax cuts while perhaps benefitting me in the short run I'm afraid may be wrong for the long run. They may have been a good thing to help the economy or not, despite any claims of helping the rich the most. They should be allowed to expire probably.

The alternative tax code unless you use software that automatically checks it is a worse nightmare than the rest of the tax code. If they want such, they should make it stright out if you made this you pay this xx% no deductions unless your regular tax is more. Ok, I'd be in favor of including health cost as deduction always actually.

The entire Medicare drug proscription mess is politics I'm afraid.

I was never really happy with the timing of Iraq invasion. Even if we had still done it with only the allies we have, I wish things might have been a bit less antagonistic all the way around the UN and world.

Environmental policies is one of those things I feel that all too often goes too far one way or the other. Seldom using good sense while considering future impacts.

roger

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The Voice of Reason speaks again:)))
Feb 15, 2004 12:57AM PST

Loved both partsHappy And appreciate your calm reasoned approachHappy I think anyone that gets over what party they are a member of and realizes that not one SINGLE person has all the answers would go along way in stopping all the arguements! Is Bush Competely right in his approach? NO! Is Kerry completely right? NO! Again
Sometimes I just plain hate election timeSad

Glenda

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Speaking as an outsider I hope ya all make the right choice ;) NT
Feb 15, 2004 2:22AM PST

NT

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Strange as it may seem....
Feb 15, 2004 7:55AM PST

... through the years we appear to have elected the right man for the job at the time.

IMO, those who had/have the guts to run for the office thought and think they could/can lead the country. When push comes to shove, there isn't that much difference between them as after the election reality sets in. Happy

Angeline
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Re:Strange as it may seem....
Feb 16, 2004 12:24AM PST

Interesting you mention that.

Sometimes looking back I'd almost wonder if there is somehow a view ahead by the collective nation.

Sometimes a person elected that I didnt' believe right at election time later when circumstances change I believe is a good thing he won.

Almost wonder about it sometimes.

roger

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I think your point is well taken
Feb 16, 2004 12:54AM PST
...almost wonder if there is somehow a view ahead by the collective nation.

IMO, the "collective nation" votes to pull admionistartions toward the center. When voters think the one in power at the time leans too far one way or the other, they vote for the opposite. So eventually things balance out.

Maybe that;s one reason their is a poliotical shift in Congress during off- year elections. or why voters choose a Congress of the opposite party.

More of a chance for compromise, perhaps. IMO, a mark of good leadership is to be able to compromise'

Angeline
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Re: '...why voters choose a Congress of the opposite party.'
Feb 16, 2004 1:14AM PST

I've often thought that it's not good if either major party controls both houses of Congress and the Presidency.

I remember once everyone was moaning about gridlock, that Congress couldn't agree on anything, nothing was getting passed. I expressed an opinion (only partly tongue in cheek) that it was a good thing. As long as they passed no new laws we were probably better off.

Remember, never forget

"No one's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."

Murphy's Laws

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Perhaps we need two presidents
Feb 15, 2004 4:48AM PST

One for domestic affairs and one for foreign affairs. Maybe three - a tie breaker. Wink

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LOL What FUN that.......
Feb 15, 2004 4:59AM PST

would be! Trying to get all 3 of them to agree on anythingHappy

Glenda

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We did have two presidents once, and the North got so jealous
Feb 15, 2004 12:01PM PST

they invaded us, put us all through a needless war just so they could dominate and keep control in the hands of the overstuffed Northeast Establishment, very small states with more than their share of senators for the region.

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Re:Perhaps we need two presidents
Feb 16, 2004 12:21AM PST

Actually I remember a discussion (not here) once of a triad arragnement to replace the President.

The biggest question is always is there still one with overriding vote or is it always a vote of the 3. One suggestion was that normally it would be a vote of the 3, but if 2 of the 3 agreed there was a state of emergency (defined by them) they could appoint one to be absolute for the term of the emergency (and term of office of course).

Obviously, the idea is the cabinet is to advise the president. And I suspect his closest aids and advisors (like chief of staff perhaps) probably make a lot of decisions he accepts and 'rubber stamps' on many lessor issues. But he always has the option to demand more information.

Interesting that in so many instances, the VP seems just an understudy with no real responsibility. Of course, as I understand it, he has little real authority anyway.

I think it's obvious to anyone that one person really can't absorb all the information needed to make a totally informed decision on everything bought to the desk of the President and has to largely rely on those who advise him on many matters. The question is always what does he chose to get personally involved with.

Chuckling, and what does his wife insist he get personally involved with also.