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Deja Vu - a Kerry Bimbo eruption

Feb 13, 2004 5:08AM PST

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(NT) Ah yes, the Sludge....er, I mean Drudge Report. Was this a "world exclusive?"
Feb 13, 2004 5:12AM PST

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Would this link be more to your taste?
Feb 16, 2004 5:58AM PST
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(NT) Just about as credible a source IMO, though the advert with a photo of two women kissing was interesting
Feb 16, 2004 11:00PM PST

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NT- The "scan your *****" link is editorial content, I think.
Feb 16, 2004 11:27PM PST

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Just thought I would ask as you appear to have forgotten...
Feb 16, 2004 11:50PM PST

that it was The Drudge Report that first brought to light Clinton's escapades with Monica.

Whil you may not like him or what he reports, Drudge muckraking is generally pretty accurate.

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Re:Just thought I would ask as you appear to have forgotten...
Feb 16, 2004 11:56PM PST

Ed, even the Weekly World News occasionally publishes something that's actually true, but I wouldn't call them a reliable source either.

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Re:Re:Just thought I would ask as you appear to have forgotten...
Feb 17, 2004 12:44AM PST

But if you take the time to look back over the Drudge Report record you will find that his accuracy record is really pretty impressive. The same can't be said of most other "Tabloid" publications.

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Well, he did want to be just like JFK didn't he?
Feb 13, 2004 5:17AM PST

Personal friend of the Kennedys, joined the Navy, served in small boats, etc.

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Darn! This was supposed to be a response to Josh. Musta misclicked. (NT)
Feb 13, 2004 5:19AM PST

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Kerry's timing is a bit off - he is suppose to be a president before the scandal comes out LOL
Feb 13, 2004 5:28AM PST

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Re:Well, he did want to be just like JFK didn't he?
Feb 14, 2004 4:48AM PST

I was wondering when someone would get around to the Kennedys. Seems like all Kerry has going for him is his war record, which as one member pointed is a bucket full of Lies. Everything else that spills out seems to have the Kennedy political chant, but not the
convincing punch.

I wonder how much of Kerry is Kerry, and not Kennedy.

Just an opinion from watching him on TV.
George

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Man, am I glad I'm not interested in running for office
Feb 13, 2004 5:29AM PST

You guys would have horns coming out of my head by now.

9 months to the general election and the right wing is just getting warmed up (and no, I don't doubt that there will be some return fire from the left). I don't know about the official campaigns but the election year is looking pretty nasty in this forum already.

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Come on Josh ...
Feb 13, 2004 5:43AM PST

... return fire from the left? How about the non-stop Bush bashing fests called Democrat primary debates? Bush lied. Bush AWOL. Bush puppet of neocon puppetmasters. Bush cowboy. Bush lied. Bush is stupid. Bush doesn't read. Halliburton/Enron/Big Oil helping Bush warm the earth. And on and on and on and on.

I'm not sure this situation has any relevance, but if supposedly liberal men hold the superior ground on how women should be respected and treated, it sure would be a disgusting way for Kerry to treat Teresa don't ya think? Clintonoids were all on board smearing Drudge and Monica until that blue dress turned up. Until then, plan was full steam ahead to destroy Lewinsky as an opportunistic mentally disturbed stalker obsessed with Clinton and those ******** sessions were just figments of her overactive imagination.

Evie Happy

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Re:Come on Josh ...
Feb 13, 2004 5:58AM PST

"Bush doesn't read" comes from his own people, not the Democrats. "Bush lied" and the Halliburton/Enron/Big Oil stuff are legitimate policy concerns (even if they all turn out not to be true).

I'm not interested in debating anything that appears "exclusively" in the Drudge Report or Newsmax.

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and President Bush's NG record is a legitimate policy concern?
Feb 13, 2004 6:26AM PST

What policy? You can't say that, if the left attacks, it's policy, and anything else is not worth responding to.

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(NT) As legitimate as Kerry's "medal-gate" thing, which you've posted about with great joy
Feb 13, 2004 10:54AM PST

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Re:Re:Come on Josh ...
Feb 13, 2004 6:36AM PST

Hi Josh,

The Bush doesn't read -- the NYT, Wash Post, etc. -- did indeed come from him. The stretch to imply that the man is out of touch because he doesn't get his information to form foreign policy, etc. from the liberal mainstream papers. The old Bush is stupid smear tactic. See Gearup's recent post of Conason's drivel.

Evie Happy

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Re:Re:Re:Come on Josh ...
Feb 13, 2004 10:53AM PST

Hi Evie:

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a guy who gets all his news from his own staff might miss a few things.

As far as his intelligence goes, his grades are a matter of record (even if they were at Yale); the rest is usually uttered with tongue-in-cheek, at least I think so. Even you've admitted that his verbal skills leave a bit to be desired. His command of the English language is not as "exemplarary" as the Texas school system. Wink

And as smear tactics go, that's the very business the Drudge Report and Newsmax are in. If you're willing to use them as sources, why complain?

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Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on Josh ...
Feb 13, 2004 11:22PM PST
I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a guy who gets all his news from his own staff might miss a few things.

Unfortunately that's not how it is spun. It's more on that pile of the "Bush is stupid" crap. IAC, given the bias of the mainstream it is equally reasonable to suggest that anyone getting their news from the major outlets is missing a lot more. If one were a Reuters-phile for example, one might not think there are any Muslim terrorists in Israel. (Opinion journal has a running feature in its Best of the Web series that chronicles Reuters insistence in calling terrorists anything but what they are).

As for Drudge, I don't read or take as fact much of what I read there. But it is interesting how Drudge is reporting something that apparently has been around (unreported) for a while, and was blurted out by none other than Wesley Clark (Chris Lehane is well known for this, recently his work could be seen behind scenes of the Davis recall).

As for Newsmax, it's actually a pretty interesting site. A combination of "news alerts", editorials and links to any range of sources on topics of the day. They recently added Susan Estrich to their featured columns. You will find even "conservative" columnists critical of the Bush Administration. Quite often they just simply report what isn't reported elsewhere. Isn't it the function of news outlets to give us the scoop and allow us to decide if it's important? For example in the Kerry Enron piece, there's nothing smear about that. The mainstream has given Kerry free airtime to spin his image as fighting against "special interests" and shown no shame in passing off innuendo pieces about Bush/Cheney and Enron as news articles. You won't read about the Heinz-Kerry connections to radical left wing causes in the mainstream, but don't you think they are something you should know about your candidate? Frontpagemag, Newsmax and National Review are merely presenting easily verifiable facts as to the money trail between Heinz grants and subsequent political support of "independent" groups for Kerry. Kerry boasts about not taking PAC money, but at this point this is getting to be a matter of semantics ... witness groups like moveon.org. He's now out there complaining about those evil Republican attack dogs for one internet ad. He's the one who claims he'll drive special interests out of Washington, someone has to call him to the mat for the utter hypocrisy of this fraud!

Evie Happy
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Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Come on Josh ...
Feb 14, 2004 8:19PM PST
IAC, given the bias of the mainstream it is equally reasonable to suggest that anyone getting their news from the major outlets is missing a lot more.

See my "Really?" post to Kiddpeat below.

Drudge and Newsmax have an agenda. The Daily Worker probably contains a fair amount of factual information too, but would you take seriously any links to their articles? IMO Newsmax is not far above those "Bush masterminded 9/11" wacko sites.
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CNN a 'major' news outlet?
Feb 14, 2004 11:33PM PST
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CNN caught again...
Feb 15, 2004 12:05AM PST

I can't believe that CNN got again after the first time. But what really shocks/upsets me is that it was John Zarrella. We were friends at CNN and when I knew him there he wouldn't have ever considered faking a news story like that. He wasn't a "babe in the woods" on the subject of weapons AIR.

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Re: CNN caught again... Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens everywhere
Feb 15, 2004 5:33AM PST

What we have here, J., is "selective attention" when the miscreant is an outfit on your hit list. Y'all just don't mention when the miscreant is an oufit you favr. For example, the Washington Times had to make two major retractions in about a month late last year, one for falsely accusing an Oregon-based Muslim outfit of having terrorist ties, and anoter for claiming that a organization seeking more low-cost housing used Federal funds to pay for demonstrations. I don't recall anyone here ragging about how unreliable the Times is!

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Dave, do you come from the south? Is that Y'all natural, or
Feb 15, 2004 9:09AM PST

some sort of code?

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Re: Dave, do you come from the south? Is that Y'all natural, or
Feb 15, 2004 12:04PM PST

Hi, KP.

I was born in Washington DC (south of the Mason-Dixon line) but have now been in Texas for almost exactly 24 years. I do use "y'all" occasionally in informal speech, but would never do so in formal writing or speaking. But unlike some Southerners, I exclusively use it as a plural form, to differentiate a singular from a plural "you."

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Nonsense, Dave...
Feb 15, 2004 7:33PM PST

Nonsense, Dave, you said, "What we have here, J., is "selective attention" when the miscreant is an outfit on your hit list. Y'all just don't mention when the miscreant is an oufit you favr.".
You were addressing me, and there is just one of me. Then you said "you favr" instead of "y'all favr". Who is the other forum member here who worked at CNN, let alone another one who was one of the original employees? "Selective attention"? What a crock, I knew him quite well personally, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why it caught my eye.
BTW, gang, the Mason-Dixon line was drawn between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Hagerstown Maryland is south of that line. BTW, in case you don't remember a post that I made a couple of years ago, some farmer plowing his fields on the PA-MD line recently uncovered one of the original survey markers. How about them apples?

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Re: Nonsense, Dave...
Feb 16, 2004 12:09AM PST

Hi, J.

I wasn't just addressing you -- there have been several messages by you and Ed for sure, and several others whose posters I can't specifically recall, gleefully calling attention to errors by supposedly liberal news media. There have been no similar messages from the same posters calling attention to the more frequent and more egregious errors by conservative news sources -- Faux News didn't get that miniker for nothing, but y'all continue to claim it's superior factually (to say nothing of the nonsensical claim of "more balanced") vs. CNN, frinstance.

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That is simply because DESPITE your protestations there are fare fewer such 'errors' (NT)
Feb 16, 2004 4:05AM PST
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I can't comment on Texans, but ...
Feb 17, 2004 9:41AM PST

Regarding your statement: ... unlike some Southerners, I exclusively use it as a plural form, to differentiate a singular from a plural "you."
I have NEVER heard a Southerner use "y'all" as anything but a plural. Not once. I have, however, heard Yankees make that mistake.

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Then maybe y'all ought to have done so as...
Feb 15, 2004 9:21AM PST

the thrust here was that "major news sources" need to be checked and the info they present verified before blind acceptance every bit as much as NewsMax or The Drudge Report.

Since you seem to be aware of this why is it that you never do it?

Like KiddPeat I have often wondered if your y'all is infused with a Boston twang.