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Deciding on Panasonic Lumix FX9 or Canon SD550?

Jan 1, 2006 11:30AM PST

I know they're not exactly the same to compare, since the FX9 is 6mpixels and the Canon is 7mpixels.

Basically looking for an ultra compact digital camera to bring to concerts to take pictures and movie clips (low light situations, w/semi-fast moving subjects)

So which one is more vital for taking pictures?
Image Stabilization w/the Fx9 or Relatively good flash range 16ft on the SD550 (as opposed to 13ft)?
And I keep reading different things about low-light picture taking being subpar w/the Fx9.
Anyone care to help me out? Thanks

Or if there is another camera thats similar w/these specs, feel free to shout them out.
At least 5mpixels
Small, compact size
Must have 640x480 @ 30fps movies

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Panasonic FX9 - Canon SD550
Jan 1, 2006 11:04PM PST

Panasonic is the only company that I can think of that puts image stabilization on a 3X optical zoom camera.

I don't see the need of it, unless you have some type of infirmity that prevents you from holding the camera steady.

Taking photos at concerts is another matter.
It depends upon how well the stage is lit.
As far as fast moving subjects, you can expect some subject blur. But that can be considered "arty" for some shots.

As far as video in low light.....that does not work well for any digital camera. You need a good camcorder for that.

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A word or two about flash.

Something to keep in mind.
Almost all camera's flash range is decreased when you use optical zoom.
Example - The Canon SD550 has a rating of about 16 feet if you are using no zoom. Zoom out to 3X and the flash range decreases to about 10 feet.

This is due to the rating of the lens: f2.8-4.9

The first number is the amount of light the lens can collect with no zoom.
The second number is the amount of light the lens can collect with 3X zoom.

Very few cameras have a rating of f2.8-2.8
One that does is the Leica lens on the Panasonic FZ20.

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Fx9 / SD550
Jan 2, 2006 1:01AM PST

Thanks for that info! That was really helpful.
I added another potential to the list, the Casio Ex S-500 or 600.
I know the flash range is a paltry ~8ft, but it is very slim/ and takes Mpeg-4 movies.

So of those 3/4 choices, which would you pick?

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Add one more
Jan 2, 2006 7:42AM PST

The Fujifilm F10 and F11, offer the most for low light situations. The ISO setting can be set as high as 1600.

The F11 also has manual controls which gives you more options for low light. The F11 is not available in the USA yet.

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Sounds tempting, but need a camera that will take SD cards
Jan 2, 2006 10:40AM PST

I did look up some reviews for the camera though. That would be perfect if only they didn't use Xdcards?
Thanks for your help though!

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Hi, After much contemplation, I got the Fuji F11
Jan 8, 2006 1:08PM PST

Thanks so much for recommending this model. I did some research online and found that this camera really performs well under low-light situations.

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Deciding on Lumix FX9 or Canon SD550, you forgot SONY T9 !!
Jan 3, 2006 8:57AM PST

Go to this site to see images:
http://www.416-1100.com/gallery/1074988.
Review:

These images have been captured with SONY's DSC-T9 camera, with no out-of-camera post image processing other than cropping, and no Photoshop work whatsoever. The Camera's internal settings generally are: Program mode with Sharpness and Saturation both turned up one tick for images to DSC00043; For images DSC00044 and over, the Saturation remains up one tick, the sharpness setting was set back to Normal, and all other settings in the camera are set to Automatic. The "bee on the flowers" image (DSC00041) was taken with the camera set to "Magnifying Glass" mode, which permits auto-focusing as close as 1.0 centimeter; For this image I was approximately 2cm from the bee. This camera is one of the best I have tested in the last 6 years. As an adjunct faculty member at FAU a south Florida 25,000 student university, teaching "Principles of Digital Photography and Post Image Processing" and authored/published a book with the same name, with Pearson Education, Inc., 2003, I have tested hundreds digital cameras that have been offered to the public in recent years, and this one is truly unbelievable. One must understand that all cameras cannot do all things regardless of price and size. Digital SLRs, like Canon's 1DsMk2, which I proudly own and consider the very best digital SLR on planet Earth, can execute most imaging tasks beautifully; however you cannot place it in your pocket, does not have built-in flash, and cannot make a video! Comparing the image quality and color to other similarly priced cameras, both seem better than on previous SONY "T" series units (the T1, T11, T3, T33, T5, T7) in their 6-step progression to the T9. The brightness on the LCD panel is also better and has two brightness levels; The LCD also seems to have a protective covering on its surface. The flash also seems a bit stronger, and the imager noise is significantly lower. Understand that the tiny built-in flash is effective for groups of 3-6 people placed within 8' or less of the camera, period; any further, other than fill-in flash and the results will be unsatisfactory. It is hard to imagine than so much technology can be contained within this truly thin package. This version has an OPTICAL IMAGE STABILIZER that really works in both Still image and Movie Modes. The large and bright LCD panel is great for sharing images with friends after the picture is taken; The T9 has an in-camera slide-show with user settings for type of slide change, with or without music. Most critics fail to mention packaged the Software; Be it known SONY has one of the best (included) software packages available; Auto-Install the software; then plug in the camera into an available USB post, turn on the camera, and in 5,4,3,2,1 seconds the images and movies, begin their migration into a unique folder in the hard-drive, in a subdirectory in "My Pictures" with today's date as the folder name. Could not be a simpler process. Then options are presented for making a CD-ROM. To see T9 sample images you can go to http://bocadigital.smugmug.com/gallery/1074988. Images will be added periodically so check back often; and while you're there look around at other images posted at your pleasure. JimWilson//28/Dec/2005/6pm

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Sounds like a great cam, but need one that takes SD cards
Jan 3, 2006 1:01PM PST

I already have a digital camera that takes SD cards, and I feel like it'd be pointless to get a camera w/a different format card. I'd be limiting myself.
But, the pictures look great! Thanks for your suggestions

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I don't believe that any instructor at the college level
Jan 8, 2006 3:28PM PST

would tout built in flash. Anyone at that level knows that built in flashes are next to worthless. This reads like a Sony sales brochure.

Color me a skeptic.

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I agree, and you should read this
Jan 30, 2006 12:26PM PST

I agree with you, especially since I own and am getting rid of the sony dsc-t7... doesn't seem relevant?? You should take a glance at the user opinions for the T7, only to discover that "FAU" posted a user opinion that is almost the exact same review as for the T9... no unique comments whatsoever... skeptic for a good reason

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When Sony resorts to svp tactics
Feb 3, 2006 2:56AM PST

It's a pretty sad day for Sony. There is a reason that they bought KM. Their OIS stinks.
I know where not to go to school too!

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Better believe it. And I am the author of the review !!
Mar 26, 2006 6:08AM PST

Simple go to our on-line site of sample images. The pictures speak for themselves. Go to:
http://www.416-1100.com/Test%20Images%20-%20Digital%20Equipment%20Testing

Regarding the T9 built-in-flash, for sure its a tiny flash that fits into one's pocket. It gives light where light is needed. And of course it does not compare with my 580EX Canon flash, however, I also cannot put my Canon 5D and this falsh in my pocket. Bottom line the T9 is a winner, and I paid US$430 for mine and enjoy having it in my pocket every-day for ever-ready pictures.

JimW

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Then you should refund your students fees. Are you
Mar 26, 2006 6:31AM PST

telling me that a college instructor doesn't know that a flash should not be on the same axis as the lens? That it causes a flat image with poor contrast when it is? You don't know that built in flashes are not even discussed in serious photo programs? In fact, serious cameras like the Canon 5D don't even have built in flash units. Want to guess why? Others, like the canon 20D, have built in flash, but warn that it can be blocked by the lense.

It is not obvious which images on your site were shot with built in flashes. If you want those looked at, it would help if you would identify the images. As noted above, some of the cameras you claim to be using do not have built in flashes.

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Here is a review of the Sony T9
Jan 31, 2006 4:43AM PST

Well, you read the marketing hype - so here is the first review of the T9. Read the review and see what you think.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/t9.html

Sony has made some improvements to the "T" line of cameras: The T9 has one more megapixel, they added image stabilization and increased the ISO to 640.

The image stabilization is something they need to add to more of their cameras. Sony seems to like to have a slow shutter speed during flash. Now you should be able to get away with hand holding the camera at 1/30th of a second.

This will also help a bit in low light situations.
The ISO setting of 640 only adds a half of an f-stop to the exposure. But with the addition of the image stabilization, you have a better chance at getting a hand held photo in low light. But I doubt that it will outperform the Fujifilm cameras that have ISO settings of 1600.

Looks pretty good......now we wait for another review (or 2) and some feed-back from owners. Amazon says they now have the T9 in stock.
Let's hear from the owners.

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