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DDR Memory?

May 22, 2005 3:42AM PDT

Something i have wondered about for a long time. Is there REALLY a speed difference between the different types. I
am running 2x256 dual-channel Crucial 2700(when I bought it, that was the upper limit of that motherboard). When I see an ad for a 2x512 3200 package, I want it. But, the reality is while having 1G instead of 512MB is better, would going from 2700 to 3200 make any real difference? I haven't seen any evidence anywhere that there is a real-life speed gain between 2100, 2700, and 3200(or on a
benchtest, either). Kind of like the real-use difference
between ATA100, ATA133, and Serial ATA150. Might have been looking the wrong place, but didn't find any info at Tom's Hardware or Anandtech. Anyone want to weigh in on this(with real knowledge)? chuck

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In the case of memory it can be real
May 22, 2005 5:39AM PDT

[as opposed to the ATA bit which needs other hardware et al performance to make it real]. If the mobo and CPU interface design is used to actually set the FSB, then it is real, in an easy to compare sense.

For Intel CPU's and their quad clocking where, for example, the 800 MHz is NOT based directly on the memory speed it is still a factor, because the lower speed memory is still clocked at its design speed and thus the memory bandwidth to the CPU is actually less than the P4 can handle.

Dual Channel is also a Memory bandwidth issue. Both use FSB of 800 MHz, but same speed/qty of memory gives double the memory bandwidth in dual channel mode. Intel shows about a 10 to 12 per cent gain with Dual Channel vs single channel all other things equal.

As an example in the P4 800 MHz units only the PC3200 [and above] running in Dual Channel mode can provide the maximum memory bandwidth that a P4 can handle, it loafs with others bcause it has unused capacity.

I had a PDF from the Intel technical document site that showed some of the details. Don't remember which computer I saved it on. if I find it I'll post the link.

Meantime, be aware, that both Intel and AMD make numerous detail CPU design documents available for reading. No need to understand teverything in them, but a lot of stuff easy to fathom.

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A link with some related info [Intel]
May 22, 2005 5:55AM PDT
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Another Intel document
May 22, 2005 6:43AM PDT

Intel Document number 252730-001

It is a PDF so I can't link it.

It is for the 875P chipset, but the technology hasn't really changed. On page 6 you can see a table that shows that 800 MHz FSB is even used with 266 MHz memory, however then look at the memory bandwidth column for both single and dual channel modes. Peak memory bandwidth that the P4 handles is 6.4 GB/second.

No simple way to compare this to AMD, except that dual channel is a memory bandwidth issue and not a means of increasing the FSB.

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And, of course, performance varies
May 22, 2005 7:04AM PDT

widely by the type of application and the total architectural design of the CPU and Chipset, Intel vs AMD, very large variations.

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DDR Memory?
May 22, 2005 7:25AM PDT

Ray gave the tech-no stuff.

So if I'm reading your post correct here's my view of the world.

You have a mobo with a max memory speed of 27 mph.
You have memory with a max speed of 27 mph.
So the machine runs at 27 mph.

You install memory with a max speed of 32 mph.
The mobo still has a max memory speed of 27 mph.
So the machine runs at 27 mph.


Now if you want to get into memory specs (cas-ras-cas/ras) etc.etc. (that stuff will give you a headache) you might find the 32 mph memory to be better but you might need a benchmark tool to see the diff.

My cloudy view of the world. Happy

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I thought that your post was a
May 22, 2005 8:46AM PDT

memory/CPU speed/processing question, and answered it as such.

Totally missed the fact that your specific mobo was limited to PC2700, and you may have only been asking if faster memory would help in your mobo. Sorry..

bob b gave you the specifics for your case

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No, you didn't read it wrong!
May 23, 2005 5:19AM PDT

Original MOBO the memory was bought for was a transitional board using either SDRAM or DDR SDRAM, since I already had 2x256mb of sdram (Crucial). Bought 1 256mb
stick of 2700 from Crucial, then a matching stick of 256mb when I changed to a new MOBO and AMD XL3000+. New MOBO will take 3G of 3200. So, Bob, old board was 27mph, new one is 32mph. Really just a curiousity, since every time I start to change from 98se to XP, new security/compatibility issues crop up. Use Mnadrake(Mandriva?) 95% of the time anyway. chuck

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The view is becoming clearer
May 23, 2005 6:20AM PDT

So you have a 32mph mobo but you have 27mph memory.

Your question is:
If you install 32mph memory will you be able to see a speed diff?

Answer:
I have no idea.
I suspect the eye-ball test won't show you much.
May depend on the apps you run.
Are you a gamer?

I have a hard time believing that a benchmark tool would not catch this memory swap but that's not the real world.

Just an aside.

Going from pc100>pc133 (my world) is a big jump and you don't need a benchmark tool to see it, the eye-ball test works just fine.