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Dan, Josh, especially DK, et al: Have I a product for you!

by Paul C / February 18, 2005 5:07 AM PST
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Unlike the
by Dan McC / February 18, 2005 5:16 AM PST

right wing fundamentalists bent on the destruction of our freedoms, my remote control has the following features: On/Off button, Channel Up Button, Channel Down Button, a keypad for channel entry. I am not forced to watch anything that I do not choose to watch. I don't need technological or government interference to protect me from broadcast content.

That, and the FoxBlocker won't work on my digital cable service.

Dan

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Reply:
by Paul C / February 18, 2005 5:20 AM PST
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That, and the FoxBlocker won't work on my digital cable service.

You actually checked that out?

Next time, place the real reason first... Devil
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(NT) (NT) Still can't recognize a joke when you see one, eh?
by Ziks511 / February 18, 2005 2:01 PM PST
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Like Dan, my FoxBlocker is called a ''remote''
by Josh K / February 18, 2005 5:54 AM PST
Wink
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$8.95?
by Angeline Booher / February 18, 2005 7:01 AM PST
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We don't need a blocker, Paul --

FauxNews is never on in this house anyway! And we sent the money we saved to Emily's List...

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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That explains
by EdH / February 18, 2005 11:37 PM PST

why you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Fox News. How are you qualified to comment on something you never watch? Their news reportage is actually neutral but they do feature a lot of opinion which is clearly presented as such. They are the only channel that routinely features representatives of all sides of any issue.

This in contrast to CNN which has admitted to slanting their news repotring to curry favor with Saddam for instance (how many others I wonder, since they are clearly still slanting reportage). The networks feature "stories" which are blends of news, opinion, fact, fiction presented as truth. If there is "faux news" CBS, NBC and ABC is it.

The inability to deal with opinions that don't agree with yours is the mark of a narrow mind.

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Hmmmm
by Josh K / February 21, 2005 2:48 AM PST
In reply to: That explains
How are you qualified to comment on something you never watch?

I've asked that same question many times, of the people who've repeatedly called "Fahrenheit 9/11" fiction without having seen any of it.
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Easy
by EdH / February 21, 2005 3:18 AM PST
In reply to: Hmmmm

What makes you think its critics haven't seen any of it? many did, and there are things called reviews, and excerpts of the piece of crud were played all over the media when it was current.

It's been dissected and debunked pretty thoroughly. Only the terminally gullible and politically biased assert it was anything but fiction.

Why? Do you really think it wasn't a pack of lies?

Dave K calls Fox News "Faux News" and from his comments clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Just keepin' it real.

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Read some of Mark's posts
by Josh K / February 21, 2005 3:36 AM PST
In reply to: Easy

He routinely calls it fiction and has admitted that he's never seen it. Other members have defended their criticisms with "I don't have to see it....."

And Fox's bias has been documented just as thoroughly.

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Show me
by EdH / February 21, 2005 3:43 AM PST
And Fox's bias has been documented just as thoroughly.

Where and by whom?
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Google
by Josh K / February 21, 2005 10:04 PM PST
In reply to: Show me

I Googled "Fox bias conservative" and got tons of hits. Take your pick. And before you argue that many of the hits are left-leaning sites, I think you'd agree that right-leaning sites aren't going to call Fox out onto the carpet.

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Unimpressed
by EdH / February 21, 2005 10:41 PM PST
In reply to: Google

What these people fail to understand is the difference between news reporting and opinion. So, yeah, maybe Bill O'Reilly or John Gibson have a right-wing bias but there are two important things to keep in mind:

1. Their NEWS reporting is completely neutral, unlike that of the networks which often blend their opinions into the news stories or present one-sided stories.

2, They label their OPINION pieces as such and include opposing viewpoints far more frequently than the networks which for the most part never do.

It is really undeniable that CBS, NBC and ABC have a left-wing bias, making them the real "faux news".

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You must have missed....
by Josh K / February 21, 2005 10:58 PM PST
In reply to: Unimpressed

....the "news reporting" footage from the early days of the Iraq invasion that included patriotic background music. Or the election coverage when every other network (accurately) had Bush and Kerry within a dozen or so electoral votes of each other -- except Fox, which had awarded Bush around a million electoral votes and Kerry around 3.

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Actually
by EdH / February 21, 2005 11:10 PM PST

I watched the Iraq invasion coverage on many channels, and no, I don't remember patriotic music in the background of Fox's coverage. I think you must have dreamed it. And of course it is nonsense that Fox awarded Bush a million electoral votes and Kerry three. Why do you feel the need to make things up?

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I didn't dream it
by Josh K / February 21, 2005 11:15 PM PST
In reply to: Actually

I saw it.

Obviously I was exaggerating about the electoral votes but my point is that Fox was the only network that had Bush leading by a MUCH larger margin than he actually had.

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(NT) (NT) Who won?
by EdH / February 21, 2005 11:18 PM PST
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(NT) (NT) Not the point
by Josh K / February 22, 2005 12:51 AM PST
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Memories
by EdH / February 21, 2005 11:30 PM PST
In reply to: I didn't dream it

If Fox had really played patriotic music during the invasion I would have remember it and I am sure it would have become an issue discussed everywhere. Can you find me a story about this? I think you are mistaken or misremembering. Perhaps you are thinking about the "bumper" music between segments, which all the networks had.

If anything I thought that MSNBC was remarkably pro-invasion while it was happening. I remember being puzzled by this.

And during the election coverage Fox might have awarded Bush a couple states before the other networks did (I seem to remember they "gave" him Florida before the others) but their coverage accurately reflected the states he won. Different networks had different tallies at different times. Big deal.

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I'll be the first to say....
by Josh K / February 22, 2005 12:34 AM PST
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...that the link below is VERY left-wing and does not represent my politics, but it does report on the musical soundtrack from Fox:

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Gaiek_Iraq-FoxNews.htm

This one isn't quite as far left:

http://www.thefreespeechzone.net/html/Take_the_Red_Pill.html

The power Fox News has in shaping public opinion should not be taken lightly. Already, more Americans watch it than any other news network. If you doubt its agenda, you probably never saw the regularly occurring "Bombs to Music" segments it aired throughout the Iraq War in which bombs were shown exploding on Iraq as inspiring music played in the background and an American flag waved in the corner of the screen.

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Election coverage ...
by Evie / February 22, 2005 5:54 AM PST

... Fox called Ohio (correctly) for Bush before the others. Other states (PA, for example) had been called for Kerry by far smaller margins with fewer precincts reporting. Holding off on calling Ohio was a demonstration of bias in the networks that held off.

Evie Happy

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There was more
by Josh K / February 22, 2005 5:58 AM PST
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Fox held back giving California to Kerry for a LONG time, much longer than anyone else.

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Could you be any sillier?
by EdH / February 22, 2005 6:08 AM PST
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No one, at Fox or anywhere else doubted that California would go to Kerry. Were they waiting perhaps for the polls to close? This is about the most asinine "proof" of bias anyone could claim. Get real.

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If anything ...
by Evie / February 22, 2005 6:25 AM PST

... FNC's coverage was biased against Bush for fear of being labeled right-wing. Josh you are way out there about California. C'mon, that state was never even in doubt, but waiting to call a state until more than 20% of precincts have reported is probably a good idea don't you think?

Calblog

Ohio was called for Bush at at 1am EST, yet when I woke up in the morning, not all of the networks were showing those electoral votes in the Bush column. Fox was the first, I believe, to GET IT RIGHT!

I don't know of any news program that were "music military porno movies" -- I do recall that leaders and trailers into and out of commercials on their programming sometimes had montages of footage set to music. Keep in mind that it is CLEAR on FNC that there are "hard news" reports every hour and half hour, and Special Report with Brit Hume is considered a hard news program (with a roundtable "opinion", clearly defined segment). The rest of the programming is not presented as hard news and is anything from Dayside with Linda Vester (CNN had a similar program), to Neal Cavuto (who may lean conservative but sure has his share of liberal guests), to the primetime lineup. While O'Reilly may lean conservative, he is not one, Hannity and Colmes is balanced, Greta is neutral (if she has a bias she doesn't show it). All of these programs routinely air both sides of the issue.

Evie Happy

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I like Fox News, and I'd say it was right leaning
by Roger NC / February 22, 2005 6:37 AM PST
In reply to: Show me

but no more indeed IMO less than ABC, NBC, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC are left leaning.

One to 5+, doing pretty good for the odds if it's so popular.


Shrug, I listen to Fox, then one of the old boys (ABC, CBS, NBC) often at the 6 to 7 for local and national evening news.

I read Time magazine regularly, which I consider definately left bias, although with a few repeat conservative columnists. But their "news articles" and dissections are basically left. But I normally read them for topics in the news. Anything I want to know more about, I can look up.

Of course, I probably see more opinions left and right here, with and without backup, than elsewhere. At least when I have time to catch up here.

JMO

Roger

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I tried it a few times when it first came on, Ed
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / February 21, 2005 10:32 PM PST
In reply to: That explains

And every once in a while I'll light on oit for a few minutes while channel surfing. During the Democratic Convention, frinstance -- while CNN, CSPAN< and PBS were broadcasting the speech, Fox would have a conservative talking head trashing the speaker. (I'm sure that wasn't always the case, but several random samples found that to be the case). And in that case I was seeking it out to see how they were handling it....

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
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I have a BIL who is conservative...
by Josh K / February 22, 2005 12:36 AM PST

...and he came right out and told me that he watches Fox because "they tell me what I want to hear."

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Sonce I can't reply on the other thread
by EdH / February 22, 2005 1:40 AM PST

I have to point out to you that the link you gave concerning patriotic music being played over a segment showing video of the Iraq invasion is NOT news coverage of the event. Playing music over vide retrospectives of this kind is hardly unusual and does nothing whatsoever to prove your case.

Admit it; you have it wrong.

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It wasn't a retrospective
by Josh K / February 22, 2005 1:55 AM PST

It was coverage of ongoing action. First you denied the video even existed and now you're claiming to know the context in which it was presented?

The video clips were presented within news broadcasts. They weren't presented as someone's opinion piece.

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Here is what that link says:
by EdH / February 22, 2005 2:24 AM PST
"Fox News just ran a segment glorifying the pornographic aspect of Gulf Slaughter II. They added beautiful music to video clips of bombs exploding in Baghdad and elsewhere in the besieged country of Iraq. Music videos designed to "wow and awe" their audience of bloodthirsty, vengeful, repugnant, pseudo-patriotic American sheep. It is an obscenity beyond description that has been seen around the world and will only further serve to enrage a very angry world. Fox News has turned war into salacious pornography. They will not show the victims, presumably as a show of their good taste and journalistic integrity. They mock all of humanity."

Does that sound like coverage of an ongoing action? Or maybe a bumper as I described before? Note also that they say it was beautiful music not patriotic music as you originally claimed.

We all know by the way that Fox News does not play "music videos". They are not MTV.

In fact all networks featured such bumpers and incidental montages; nothing unusual; proving nothing at all.

Can you quote where I denied the video even existed? I think not. What I said was that Fox news did not play patriotic music as a backdrop to their coverage of the invasion, which is true.

I have Fox on the box right now. Some liberal (Sam Greenfield)is ranting and raving about how terrible Bush is. Hmmm.
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