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Dan, I just don't see it.

by drpruner / November 3, 2004 3:18 AM PST

Here's what I see:

Further, God blessed them and God said to them: ?Be fruitful and become many" 1:28 (So their gift of life on earth was a blessing, not a curse.)

After that God saw everything he had made and, look! it was very good 1:31 ("very good" in the writer's eyes; very bad in yours.)

every tree desirable to one?s sight and good for food 2:9 (Instead of 'hospital food,' nourishing but bland, He gave them a variety and went to the trouble to give it eye appeal, like the Japanese of today.)

for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.? 2:17 (So their life prospects were >45 years; eternal, in fact, if they obeyed.)

You're giving me a common, mainstream response: 'No matter what the Bible says about something, I know better, because of what I see today, and what I want to believe.'

Compare this: Moby **** is a work of fiction. See if you can answer Sam Goldwyn's famous question about it: "Is Moby **** the man or the whale?"

All I have is the Bible to answer the big questions. Can't help you.

Regards, Doug in reality

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Re: Dan, I just don't see it.
by Dan McC / November 3, 2004 3:50 AM PST

Human biology has not changed significantly in the last 5000 years. Botany, biology, genetics and reproduction work now as then. I have a bible, but I also have a familiarity with thousands of years of accumulated knowledge about how reality works that was not available to those who wrote the bible. To ignore that knowledge would be folly.

Answer this: What is the basic fact that applies to both 'Moby ****' and the bible?


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Re: Dan, I just don't see it.
by gearup / November 3, 2004 4:04 AM PST

They are both fiction based on knowledge which existed at the time of writing. And Goldwyn was an idiot. Moby **** is the whale . The man is Ahab and he is posessed by something dark and foreboding. He is a study in depravity
bi-polar from the way he is described vacillating between withdrawel and hyperactivity.

However to compare the tale of one mans depravity with the "bible" is not a fair comparison. The old testament,like the new had many authors each with their own agenda as opposed to "Moby ****" the work of one man whose agenda is still debatable!

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Dan, I just don't see it.
by drpruner / November 4, 2004 2:31 PM PST

I had asked you, not what you think of man's life and prospects today, or in the "caveman" days, but what you had learned from a given text.

I asked about Moby **** because I was already imagining your answer based on your response to my Genesis question:

"Dan, you've read Moby ****. Is it the man or the whale?"

"It's the man, of course."

"But right on this page it says ..."

"I don't care. **** is a man's name, Moby Grape was a male group, so I decide that Moby **** is the man."

Then we all have a good laugh because we know you're just being silly. After all, most ten-year-olds can be pointed to the right pages in the book and find the answer.

(Sam Goldwyn, the "G" in MGM, was a semi-literate from a NY ghetto whose genius was for knowing what kind of entertainment we wanted. That made him rich enough to hire the guys who had read the books he made into blockbusters.)

My purpose was to see if you could treat the book and its topics seriously. You opted not to; you're free to do that. My option is to spend my time elsewhere. Lu 10:2; Acts 17:11.

Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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Re: Dan, I just don't see it.
by Dan McC / November 4, 2004 10:18 PM PST

You'll have to explain your 'Moby ****' point a little better. It's still not clear to me.

'Moby ****' and the bible are both estimable works. But I would not use one as the basis for modern fisheries management nor the other for modern biology decisions.


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applies to both 'Moby ****' and the bible
by jonah jones / November 4, 2004 2:56 PM PST

they both have a huge layer of blubber hiding the "meat 'n bones"?


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Re: Dan, I just don't see it.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / November 5, 2004 2:34 AM PST

Hi, Dan.

>>What is the basic fact that applies to both 'Moby ****' and the bible?<<
They both feature a whale? Wink

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"They both feature a whale" LOL!
by drpruner / November 6, 2004 1:13 PM PST

I can't believe I didn't even think of that!

And why didn't Jonah Jones come up with it?!

Regards, Doug in landlocked New Mexico

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Nicely done Doug.
by Ziks511 / November 3, 2004 10:18 AM PST

Personally I want a copy of the Skeptics Bible with all the contradictions and outrageous stuff catalogued. But that doesn't mean I don't think its not beautifully written and a helpful guide to conduct with certain provisos. (Like no slavery etc)

The Bible, an example of a book written and edited by committees that defies the cliches about committees.

Rob Boyter

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