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Da Vinci Code Actor: Bible Should Have 'Fiction' Disclaimer

May 17, 2006 3:48AM PDT

If "The Da Vinci Code" was already feeding the flames of controversy with its challenge to the basic tenets of Christianity, actor Ian McKellen managed to pour a refinery tank's worth of gasoline on the fire on this morning's 'Today' show, asserting that the Bible should carry a disclaimer saying that it is "fiction." Video: Windows Media or Real Player, Plus audio MP3

Matt Lauer, in his second day "On The Road With The Code," was in Cannes for the film festival, where the Code will have its debut. It has already been screened to some critics, who have given it decidedly mixed reviews.

As I reported here, NBC reporter Melissa Stark yesterday dipped a timid toe in the sea of controversy when she interviewed Code director Ron Howard, asking how he reacted to the controversy the movie has created . . . for the Church! Sounding more like a sensitivity trainer than a Hollywood director, Howard offered up some ambiguous prose about it being healthy thing for people to engage their beliefs.

Lauer took the bull of controversy more directly by the horns when he interviewed the cast and director Howard today. Said Lauer:

i totally agree the bible should have a disclaimer.

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What is about actors that makes them think they are experts
May 17, 2006 6:04AM PDT

on a subject just because they were in a movie about it?

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man wrote the bible
May 17, 2006 6:40AM PDT

no proof to me that its anything but fiction

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I agree with you Mark
May 17, 2006 9:44AM PDT

and would add the disclaimer to all religious books, including those I believe in, but would modify the disclaimer rather than just state that it is a work of fiction.

Disclaimer: This is a work of faith, written by those who believe in its specific tenets. Nothing in this book has been proven to be true. It is up to you; the individual, to decide if you will accept its contents in the absence of any proof.

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That is not the case with the Bible. There is a lot of
May 17, 2006 10:30AM PDT

evidence that its basic history is correct including abundant archeological sites.

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I seem to have contracted foot-in-mouth disease
May 17, 2006 10:35AM PDT

You are correct on the history, I should have written that disclaimer to reflect belief alone.

Remove foot from mouth
Wash mouth out
Wash foot
Take more time previewing posts

Okay

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were you there
May 17, 2006 10:39AM PDT

to see it written by god?
it was told to you thats all you have for proof.

your beleafs are yours and your right.
but the church is being rediculas actions to call for a law suit etc.

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Evidences
May 17, 2006 10:49AM PDT

Mark, you need to enroll at a good bible college and take some courses on "Evidences" and maybe you can understand the subject better.

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and were the teachers there?
May 17, 2006 10:52AM PDT

you beleave all you read?
who wrote it man

unless you were there your beleaveing what they tell you.
i tell you something and you say go to bible school.
bible is based on what you were told is true i say its fiction

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Evidences
May 17, 2006 11:43AM PDT

the reason I suggest a good course on Evidences is you will learn about provenance of various biblical writings, proofs of their antiquity and then the fulfillments of prophecies which statistically and under the laws of probability could not occur by random chance, and many not even by man's deliberate interventions in effort to make them happen over a period of centuries, maybe even millenia if you count the prophecies beginning in day's of Adam. You will learn of the heresies which challenged the Bible on archaelogical grounds and how later the eminent disbelievers were later proven to be liars or ignorant at best as new discoveries proved the truth of the Biblical records. All such add credence to it's Divine authorship across the centuries. And no, I'm not going to present all that to someone in a forum. Take a course.

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again were you or
May 17, 2006 1:03PM PDT

the people who told you this there.
you beleave what you were told good for you have a beleaf in it its all that says your a beleaver, which is ok just prove its fact not just hersay.

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How do you know George Washington lived? Were you there?
May 17, 2006 1:33PM PDT

It sounds like you don't believe any history Mark if your criteria is that you had to be there to see it. That's a pretty limited view of history.

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(NT) (NT) thers pictures of george washing ton
May 17, 2006 1:43PM PDT
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How do you know? He died 40 years before cameras were
May 17, 2006 1:51PM PDT

invented. What you may have seen are artist conceptions much like the pictures of Jesus.

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(NT) (NT) sketckes and paintings
May 17, 2006 1:59PM PDT
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Re: sketckes and paintings - you're not being consistent
May 17, 2006 2:02PM PDT

You weren't there. How do you know any of what you were taught about Washington is true? Anyone can make a sketch or a drawing of an idealized figure. You are relying on teachers, and they weren't there either. Isn't that your argument?

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(NT) (NT) Of Paul Bunyan and Babe the blue ox, too.
May 18, 2006 1:44AM PDT
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I didn't say it was written by God. I SAID it has a lot of
May 17, 2006 1:30PM PDT

accurate history, and that there is a lot of archeological evidence that supports its accuracy.

It doesn't have to be written by God to contain accurate historical information does it?

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a great rational solution
May 17, 2006 10:51AM PDT

think of yourself as an idea man. the publisher's attys
will clear up any problems with your disclaimer.

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At the very least it is a historical document. Do you think
May 17, 2006 10:28AM PDT

that anything written in antiquity is fiction?

You won't believe the miraculous elements, but that doesn't mean the basic facts of the story are wrong. Jesus lived and was crucified. He taught certain things.

Josephus tells us that much, and no serious historian would question that.

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and its your beleaf
May 17, 2006 10:54AM PDT

which is ok but to say its proof of the bible being anything more than hersay is what it is

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(NT) (NT) they get to play god?
May 17, 2006 7:45AM PDT
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There's probably more fiction
May 17, 2006 6:32AM PDT

in most of the networks' news shows than the Bible.

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What's to be gained...
May 17, 2006 6:46AM PDT

from pisisng off millions of people? The Bible is public domain. Let him publish his own Bible with whatever disclaimer he wants.

Very silly.

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and its silly
May 17, 2006 7:20AM PDT

of the church to act the way it is about this movie.
when passion of the christ( hope thats right) where was the uproar?

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Maybe not silly ...
May 17, 2006 9:15AM PDT

I haven't seen Passion of the Christ so I cannot really comment on it other than noting that it supposedly followed the Gospels quite closely. If so, then why would the church create an uproar about it?

The Da Vinci Code is another issue completely. I enjoyed the book as a fast paced murder mystery, and an obvious work of fiction. The problem is that Dan Brown apparently tried to claim that it was more than 'just fiction' when he wrote: "all descriptions of documents and secret rituals are accurate" and then proceeded to have his characters make a variety of absurd historical claims. (I can't find my copy of the book right now, so I can't verify the quote above, but I'm told it is a part of the introduction to the novel. I really don't remember.)

I do not have enough historical expertise to be able to determine which of Mr. Brown's claims about documents and secret rituals were accurate, but many of the claims about church history (eg: Council of Nicea) are laughable. Or rather, they would be if it were not for the fact that they are presented in a manner that implies the books claims were correct. Mr. Brown took a few kernels of truth, dressed them up with a whole lot of distortions and lies and then tried to pretend that he got the history right. Now it is possible that he did not, strictly speaking, mis-represent any of the documents from church history because IIRC most of the really bogus historical claims in the book were not specifically tied to historical documents. Still, it leaves the casual reader with the impression that the novel has considerably greater accuracy than it does.

What Dan Brown said himself (in a more complete statement than quoted above) is:
The">http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/faqs.html]The Da Vinci Code

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well it was anti semantic
May 17, 2006 10:22AM PDT

didnt see all the temples demany law suits

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Gibson told it as it is written in the New Testament. If you
May 17, 2006 10:35AM PDT

think the New Testament is anti-semitic, then I guess Gibson's movie is. Let's not forget however, that Jesus is a Jew.

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was
May 17, 2006 10:41AM PDT

and all works of fiction in my eyes.
if you want to beleave in the bible thats ok.
but it was written by man for man

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Man for man
May 17, 2006 10:47AM PDT

Except for the tables of stone, everything written was "by man for man" but only if you realize the one inspiring it was God. Think of a secretary taking dictation, although in truth the secretary may be writing and then publishing the dictation, the true author of it is the one who gave it to her. Inspiration is similar, it's a form of spiritual dictation.

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were you there?
May 17, 2006 11:01AM PDT

your taking a mans word that god wrote those tablets
agin no proof