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I have never been "into" sports - which are all-too-often forms of warfare - but currently I am juggling looking at SE and the second cricket test between the Australian and Pakistani teams at the MCG.

And what is delightful about cricket is that, at the end of the day, it is not partisan.

During the first test Pakistan made a woeful showing and Ricky Ponting (the Australian captain) expressed sorrow that the opposing team was unable to make a good showing ... and he gave advice (well cricket is a VERY technical game).

Now we are into the second test (the first was at WACA which has a unique wicket, with a lot of bounce in it) and it seems that the Pakistani team has paid heed, because they are currently doing well.

But the thing is that both TV commentators and most of the viewing public are more interested in who bowls, bats and fields well, than in who actually wins a test.

Teams play hard and sometimes there is controversy, but never any on-field violence and seldom any crowd behaviour.

Wouldn't it be nice, don't you think, if all world affairs could be conducted along the lines that cricket is?

I realize that very few Americans know anything about cricket, but it is a "world sport" involving England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India, the West Indies, South Africa, Zimbabwe and other nations, so I just thought that I would mention one sport which, despite commercialisation, actually remains largely free from the dog-eat-dog mentality which pervades so many other so-called "sports" and the international mentality generally.

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Tendulkar rules!

Sorry; being too partisan.
I agree, Gerry, cricket is a different animal, especially when I'm surrounded by the "We're number one!" mentality of USA sports. Not w/o its problems though. BBC talking about drugs and other scandals over the past few years.

BTW, I think they take tea breaks during matches, right?

You should tell us SE'rs about the Ashes.

Whenever I'm feeling down I go to the cricket section of BBC Sports and read match results. I don't understand a word, but the language has me ROFL in a minute! Happy

Regards, Doug in New Mexico, where the S Asian students at the U have a cricket league!

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I just couldn't resist: You mean the Brittish Empire

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Yeah you could say that M

Looks like you bowled me a wrongun and I got caught at silly mid on.

A "wrongun" is a speciality of a spin bowler named Warne, who can deceive batsmen into believing that a ball will swing in flight and "break" (veer) in a particular direction as it hits the ground, but it does the opposite.

"Silly mid on" is a fielding position about mid way down the "wicket" (the space between the stumps that's specially prepared for play). "On" means on the bat side of a batsman, whereas "off" means to his leg side, and maybe "silly" means that you have to be to stand in such a dangerous position ... well a fast bowler can deliver at nearly 100mph and the ball can come off the bat even faster.

All that just for your benefit Doug ... and the Ashes is a series of matches played every few years between Australia and England, with the trophy (an insignificant little thing) always being kept at the Lords cricket ground in London, regardless of who wins and where.

A legend I've heard is that the trophy contains the ashes of the stumps of a match back in the 1800s - when it took teams months to travel either to England or to Australia.

Yes Doug, there are tea breaks ... and lunch breaks ... and drinks breaks, when the "twelfth man" (the reserve of the host team) brings drinks onto the ground for both teams during test matches, which are usually played over three days, with two innings per side, unless a result comes sooner ... all pretty relaxed and even boring, if you don't know what is going on.

Then there are one day matches which are much faster in every way.

And so on.

I have heard that grid-iron is also a very complicated game with special terminology and I don't pretend to understand it, though it looks a lot like rugby to me.

Lastly, as I said, I have never been all that much into any sport, but it did strike me as a bit ironic that I was switching back and forth between the cricket on TV (except when rain stopped play) and something of a war going on in SE (best not to say the "I" word whilst talking cricket).

"It just ain't cricket old man! i.e. "polite".

All the best, Gerry

[Disclaimer: I don't know very much about cricket, so the information given above should not be relied on in any dispute.]

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cricket=a good way to spend your time with a few beers on a sunny day...
american football=fast/slow, interesting/boring, clever/silly... i guess you have to grow up with it?
rugby=a "mans" game, especially when played in pouring rain or near freezing weather...

the fastest/bestest sport i have ever seen? "aussie rules"!! unbelievably fast and a pleasure to watch (not that i understand the rules btw Wink)


most boring sport? golf!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Aussie Rules (football)

To me it seems like just an excuse to have a fight in public, but at least the rules are simple and it is fast.

Then again: along with cricket I grew up with soccer which, at least on field, is a reasonably civilised contest (why the crowds are so fanatical is beyond me) and a complex, highly skilled game.

I agree with you completely about golf, at least as a spectator sport (I've enjoyed a number of hopelessly bad games myself), which ranks with watching grass grow and snails crawling up walls.

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Golf: A good walk spoiled. -Twain

In '84 I saw the bronze medal football match in LA: Yugo and Italy. Don't recall the score or outcome, but the game was beautiful (seriously) : Grace, speed, intelligence. Like ice hockey, I think it's a sport best seen live, because you need to watch the whole field at once.

Ashes: W/o looking on the 'net, I recall that an Aussie captain burned the upright-stick thingys one year because of inexcusably bad play; they were 'inurned' and now that serves as the trophy. Test matches now underway, I think. BBC reports the Sri Lanka team withdrawn to return home, of course.

Wellington's comment about 'Waterloo being won on the playing fields of Eton' refers either to cricket or football, I think; either supposed to teach values useful to a military.

In a book of 'Britishisms for Americans' I found a hilarious description of a three-day. If I have the time I'll type it in. It accounts for scores such as 'England ended play at 127-3 not out.'

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Cricket is incomprehensible!

to say nothing of interminable -- haven't there been matches over a day long? Even worse than baseball!

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Amen, DK! - Although maybe it's like

an elementary school-age parent watching a game of T-ball. All players get to have a turn at batting. There is no score kept (at least there isn't supposed to be! I know of some coaches/parents that violate those rules Sad). Everyone is out there to just watch the kids have a good time, and support is given for all of them. Instead of tea during the break, you get Kool-Aid and Oreos Grin

I enjoyed T-ball. Was fun for everyone.

To tell the honest truth, I have never watched a game of cricket. Who knows, maybe I would enjoy that, too - but I believe I would find it good "nap-time entertainment" much as I do most any other sports on TV Happy I find the majority of TV sports-watching to be boring. If I'm not there up-close and personal, it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot to me.


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(NT) (NT) T-ball?
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Similar to baseball
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Thanks, Cindi

I forget sometimes that not everyone knows that kind of stuff.



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Hi Marcia,
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(NT) (NT) sort of golf for midgets... :-)
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A picture is worth it
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I venture to say that ...

there is no resemblance between T-ball and cricket ... not that I have anything against T-ball, just that it's a very different ball game, e.g. yes it is fairly "gentlemanly", but how would you like to face a hard, leather-clad ball coming at you at about 100mph and, sometimes, deliberately aimed at your body, so as to intimidate you into making a poor batting move?

And in cricket scores are kept with precision.

Have a look sometime, albeit that you won't get it first off ... heck I am only just starting to really appreciate it at 62.

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Hi keyhoti

Do you have a good website that would explain the game well to the uninitiated like me? Happy

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Hi Cindi

All I can suggest is that you try Google ... might even try it myself, because I am still learning.

Cheers, Gerry

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you could check here :-)
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Nice post jonah

The inherent point is that, at the end of the day, you just should not take it all that seriously.

Monty Python made any number of very serious points ... but, at the end of the day, if you can't stand back and have a good laugh at yourself/humanity, then why bother at all?

You just gotta maintain some kind of sense of tumour ... "Oh cancer, that is a growing problem."

Meanwhile, as TV commentators are wont to say, back to the cricket.

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as the 'Python' said

Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

...always look on the bright side of life!


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that is just where I first came into SE, with the post, "Always look on the bright side of life."

Cors I am a hypocrite who falls short of his own admonitions to do this and that or, looked at another way, aren't we all, "Human, all too human." (Nietzsche)

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(NT) (NT) Thank you, jonah! :-)
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I'm sorry that you misunderstood me, Key

I wasn't meaning to say that the two games were similar in the way they are played. I was only commenting on the sportsmanlike conduct that seems to emanate from the players and spectators alike. I picked this up from your references to "at the end of the day, it is not partisan," "more interested in who bowls, bats and fields well, than in who actually wins a test.," and "Wouldn't it be nice, don't you think, if all world affairs could be conducted along the lines that cricket is?"

T-ball - IMHO - is very much the same in regard to those comments Grin


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(NT) (NT) I get your point
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Many years ago, I'm told,

the home team of a women's college basketball game served up the 'tea and cookies' for both teams after the game. The "ladylike" rules of the day, though, made the game boring.

T-ball is nice indeed - 'til the parents get hormonal.

Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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(NT) (NT) LOL Dave
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incomprehensible!.....maybe, but where else

is it not only legal, but applauded, to bowl a maiden over in broad daylight in front of a crowd....

where else can obviously hetero-sexual men be caught in
a first slip or by a third man....

to shout "googly" and not have a nerd correct you by shouting "it's google, you fool" Wink

and where else is a short leg acceptable (and a forward short leg is not what it sounds like)....



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Ever see a Hurling match, Gerry?

Put approximately 20 Irishmen, each armed with ash sticks that look suspiciously like North American native war clubs, on a football pitch with big hockey nets at either end, and one small white ball about the size of a base/cricket ball. Blow the whistle and stand well back. Fastest roughest game I've ever seen. Passing is by whacking the ball with the stick, as is scoring, but carrying the ball is done by bouncing it on the flat, spatulate end of the 4 foot club while running full tilt up the field and straight-arming anyone who comes near you. Accidentally braining an opponent either on the back swing or on the follow-through is both common and fair. I have not figured out if there is such a thing as a personal foul because play seems to continue regardless of the mayhem and carnage that occurs on the field, blood is usual and unconciousness seems to be too. There was a brief flirtation with televising the finals here back in the late 70's but it went nowhere. We did however have an Aussie rules star advertizing Energizer batteries before they invented the Energizer Bunny.

Rob Boyter

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Hi Rob

Yes I've seen hurling played(?) and, correct me if I'm wrong, the original version of lacrosse (spell check) as played by N American Indians ... correction, I have only read about that.

How the Irish came to play(?) such a similar kind of no-holds-barred contest, I do not know.

Interestingly (or not as the case may be) Irish and Aussie Rules teams recently got together to play "International Rules Football" ... what rules?

Well aside from a general punch-up, a nice touch was that a dog got onto the field and had a great time chasing the ball, with no one bothering to expel the pooch for a long while.

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lacrosse it was

and the Aztecs of C. America were said to have a game involving the loser's forefeiting his life.

Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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