Creationism called paganism by Vatican astronomer

by EdH May 12, 2006 12:57PM PDT

Don't jump on me; I'm just reporting...

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Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy, said a "destructive myth" had developed in modern society that religion and science were competing ideologies.

He described creationism, whose supporters want it taught in schools alongside evolution, as a "kind of paganism" because it harked back to the days of "nature gods" who were responsible for natural events.

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Liberal explains Conservative.

by Kiddpeat May 12, 2006 1:34PM PDT

Again.

and, as usual, gets it completely wrong.

and, here I thought that Jesus is the final authority in the church. I guess I'm just another redneck Protestant.

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First time the Vatican has been called a hotbed of liberal

by Ziks511 May 12, 2006 6:03PM PDT

ideas. Revisionism reaches a new peak.

Rob

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(NT) (NT) You ARE out of touch aren't you?

by Kiddpeat May 12, 2006 11:45PM PDT

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Ok John Paul 2 was a conservative, and Joseph Cardinal

by Ziks511 May 15, 2006 11:48PM PDT

Ratzinger was his enforcer. They expelled Hans Kung who was the leading theologian and a superb writer about 20 years ago, was he a liberal, well he was more liberal than JP2 and Cardinal Ratz, but that's about all, and I read the books. But since then Ratzinger has become a liberal? I can't follow the logic here.

The only thing that Catholic and liberal have in common is 3 letters so far as I can see.

Rob

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Matter of perspective ...

by Bill Osler May 16, 2006 12:53AM PDT

Most people are not either 'liberal' or 'conservative' on all issues all the time.

Still, what you have shown is that the hierarchy is conservative, especially in regards to challenges to its authority.

The Roman Catholic church is clearly conservative on some issues, most notably abortion and contraception, at least at an institutional level, but that hardly says much about the vast numbers of priests who provide leadership on the local level.

Many of us look at the stands taken by large numbers of Catholics and their priests on issues other than reproduction and conclude that the church is (mostly) politically liberal. I suspect that varies from diocese to diocese and probably even from parish to parish.

All of which means you can probably argue either way on whether to apply a conservative or liberal label to the church as a whole.

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I believe you are exactly correct

by Steven Haninger May 16, 2006 7:22AM PDT

With the exception of abortion and reproductive/sexual freedoms, the Catholic church's stands on most issues read like a liberal agenda. More catholics consider themselves to be democrats than republicans though the margin isn't large. Here are some numbers I found interesting in this article.

http://www1.georgetown.edu/explore/news/index.cfm?ID=734

Kerry did not carry the numbers from the catholic population that J.F.K. did. Of course more than 40 years have passed since that time. I cannot be certain what this change in % of vote might mean.

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That's perfectly understandable coming from you.

by Kiddpeat May 16, 2006 4:07AM PDT

The Catholic intelligentsia, particularly in the US, is VERY liberal. It's not particularly surprising, for several reasons, that you don't know that.

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Such slander!

by Dan McC May 15, 2006 5:43AM PDT

I can't imagine what would cause him to speak so poorly of pagans.

Dan

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One of my favorite lines, then and now:

by drpruner. May 15, 2006 9:20AM PDT

From The Exorcist (book, I think):
Priest: Your Latin is very good, very idiomatic.
Satan: It should be, with all the time I've spent in the Vatican.

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