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Court: Transsexual Is Legally a Woman...

Jul 24, 2004 5:17AM PDT

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Transgender people cannot marry as their new sex under Florida law, a state appeals court ruled Friday in setting aside a divorce ruling between a man - who once was a woman - and his wife.

The 2nd District Court of Appeal in Lakeland said people who undergo sex changes aren't recognized by their new sex under Florida's marriage laws, which ban same-sex marriages.

It was not known how many marriages the ruling affects since people are not required to prove their sex when seeking a marriage license in Florida.

The ruling came in the case of Michael Kantaras, who underwent a sex change operation in 1987 and then married his wife, Linda, two years later. His attorney, Karen Doering, called the court's decision "ridiculous."

Michael Kantaras divorced Linda Kantaras in 2002 and was awarded custody of two children - one child which was his ex-wife's from a prior relationship, the other a daughter she bore in 1992 following artificial insemination.

The appeals court said there was no legal marriage for a Circuit Court to dissolve, and remanded the custody aspect of the case for further proceedings.

"The controlling issue in this case is whether ... the Florida statutes governing marriage authorize a postoperative transsexual to marry in the reassigned sex," the court wrote. "We conclude they do not."

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How freaking stupid.....
Jul 24, 2004 5:32AM PDT

Since there is no requirement to prove gender in order to GET married, how can they say that a DIVORCE requires proof?

Where are the children now? And I'm confused about who had the artificial insemination for the second child....HIM before his sex change to male or the EX?

Obviously, if he was awarded custody, including a child that didn't come from him in any event, he had strong evidence as the better parent no matter WHAT gender he is, so the question now is.....can he have the children back even if he's only 'separated' and not divorced while this gets hashed out?

TONI

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Re: it's quite simple Toni
Jul 24, 2004 5:52AM PDT

in 1987 "X" Kantaras became Michael Kantaras, who married Linda in 1989

"Michael" Kantaras divorced Linda Kantaras in 2002 and was awarded custody of two children - one child which was his ex-wife's ("he" obviously was "man" enough to get "married" impregnate a "wife" between the sex change and "his" "marriage" to Linda) from a prior relationship, the other a daughter (with TWO mothers?) she ("Michael"?) bore in 1992 (3 years after his/her "marriage" to Linda) following artificial insemination...

which means one of two things, either medical science has mad HUGE advances or "Michael" was really an "X" all the time...

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Re: How freaking stupid.....
Jul 24, 2004 7:08AM PDT
Since there is no requirement to prove gender in order to GET married, how can they say that a DIVORCE requires proof?


I read it to mean the court was saying there was no marriage to be divorced.

The appeals court said there was no legal marriage for a Circuit Court to dissolve, and remanded the custody aspect of the case for further proceedings.

If there was no marriage, then there can be no divorce. And from that point on, all issues of custody and property settlement, etc, would seem to have to fall back on what ever guidelines are used for couples (of all types) that just live together without any legal documentation or contract.

RogerNC

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If they won't recognize him
Jul 24, 2004 7:15AM PDT

legally as a man, then he can go into any ladies room to pee in the sink, too.

TONI

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And
Jul 24, 2004 7:17AM PDT

hae they decided to revoke his driver's license since his picture isn't 'correct', and you can't wear disguises so he can't paste on a mustache or beard for it.

jeezzzz

TONI