Cops told Pat K was at watering hole before crash

... you couldn't have done a much better job of trying!

Kennedy lied, probably because he was sick and trying to hide it. He has since admitted to having a substance problem and is in rehab.

Being "sick" is now another excuse for lying (that and if it's about sex and you don't want your beloved wife to know). Admitting you have a serious problem and hiding out in rehab shouldn't be a get out of jail free card. OK for Dems though.

It's not what you do, it's what you get away with

Yeeeeaaaaah hawwww!!!!!!

I imagine that some theories say the whole thing was attribitable to moon beams. That doesn't say that anyone believes that theory.

Timelines show that Kennedy called her parents to offer condolences before he reported the incident to the police. He knew she was there, and anyone who thinks an aid was in the car has been in the moon beams too long.

I was offering a possible explanation for his lying about whether he had been drinking. I was not trying to excuse the DUI itself.

I believe drunk driving is a very serious offense, regardless of who is doing it. Do you?

... driving DUI with a BAL of around 0.15-to-0.2 is very serious. Most of the DUI's that came in the summer I worked for the county lab were in the 0.2+ range. Get them off the road and keep them off the road.

While charts and tables can approximate your BAL by your weight and the number of drinks you have consumed,
the following is how your body feels different levels of intoxication:
BAL 0.02% - lightheaded & loosened inhibitions
BAL 0.05% - warm and relaxed
BAL 0.10% - possible blackout and memory loss
BAL 0.15% - severely impaired judgment and perception
BAL 0.20% - nausea or vomiting
BAL 0.25% - emotionally and physically numb
BAL 0.30% - drunken stupor
BAL 0.35% - may stop breathing
BAL 0.40% - coma

This is what *they* say about BAL's. This doesn't square with the BAL's here: http://www.beerboozebooks.com/bal.htm

I'm beginning to wonder how I survived college and was able to even walk home or manage the stairs into the busses at the end of the evening. Sheesh.

While we're taking things seriously and just applying a black and white standard, don't you think all parents who do drugs are totally irresponsible?

Suffocation would have been worse, because it would mean she was consious for some time and knew she was trapped. She was also drunk so it would have been harder for her to try to save herself.

....to John R's post about Mary Jo's cause of death. I must have clicked "reply" to the wrong post.

for post HERE.

DUI is not really the issue Josh. That's why your attempts to make it the issue are so offensive and patently partisan.

The issue is GETTING AWAY with DUI. Thumbing your nose at the law. That's what both Kennedy's have done. They've used their position to escape prosecution.

The Bush's, neither one, did this. They faced up to their offense, and accepted a court's judgement, and that's why the Bush experience is irrelevant. They paid the penalty, defeated their demons, and moved on to constructive lives. It's a shame that Democrats think they they don't have to do this.

What were they?

And any recovering alcoholic will tell you that you never defeat your demons; you just keep them in check, one day at a time.

Bush was cooperative when arrested; I'll give him that. But Evie tried to make it sound like he got stopped for a broken taillight or something.

ted was and is a drunk and a woman killer
you may want to over look it but we dont

Instead, you try to paint a sympathetic picture while not extending the same consideration to Bush who overcame his problem years ago.

That's really pathetic.

I'm just checking Evie for consistency and finding none, as usual.

I have no problem with prosecuting Kennedy for his DUI. I was trying to explain the lying, not the driving.

never responded to it. Bush did not meet that definition, and he was duly penalized in court as provided for by the law. That is ancient history which is only relevant because you are trying to excuse Kennedy's behaviour and privileged treatment.

Laughable! Where am I being inconsistent?

Kennedy is a crazed maniac at the wheel of two tons of steel, while Bush was only guilty of a minor traffic infraction.

No inconsistency there, no sirree!!

but your right there special there Kennedy's
your admiration doesn't shock us josh and your fake indignation doesn't either

See here.
And there are reports he later went back looking for her -- which would be consistent with only learning about her later.

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and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

theres no link to the woman killer hes a drunk seems its a kennedy trait to be on some kind of crutch

...she didn't drown. There was an air pocket in the car and she suffocated when the oxygen supply ran out. Worse than drowning, probably.

I read a very good book about Chappaquiddick a few years ago called Senatorial Privilege. Thorough (and not sympathetic to Ted K.), it's a good read. The author had less problem with the steps Kennedy says he took to try to get Mary Jo out of the car than with what he did afterwards, which was go back to his hotel and try to create an alibi for himself. There were any number of houses he could have stopped at along the way to try to get some help but he didn't.

The author also goes into some detail about the various theories about what may really have happened that night, including the ''Teddy wasn't in the car'' theory (which also does not exculpate him from any responsibility). It is plausible if you read it through.

breath the last available air and then drown? It could not be determined because her family filed petition to bar a autopsy. Wonder why, was it because of further embarrasement to both families.
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6130-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=174290&messageID=1920899&tag=

Note attorney bills & no law suit:

"Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy, and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills."
http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/

I must have read something totally different than you did on Ted's "accident" Sheesh!

http://www.ytedk.com/chappindex.htm

Looks like some people NEED to read this again!

only once? One thing we know he can't say: when I misled no one is dead.

you just leave them in the car to drown and no charges are pressed.
but alas its ok there special above the laws of the regular people.

He's the one who killed someone while driving drunk.