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College tuition has now risen 126% over past decade

Jun 22, 2007 12:46AM PDT
Some University of Tennessee students will have to take out bigger loans next fall.

UT trustees voted Thursday to raise tuition by six percent. In-state undergraduates will pay about $5,100 a year at the Knoxville campus. Add on yearly fees, and that number swells to nearly $6,000 per year.


http://www.wkrn.com/nashville/news/ut-tuition-more-than-doubles-over-decade/103056.htm

Employees will be given a 3% raise.

(I think that's still less than health care costs. Happy )


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(NT) My first degree? Tuition was $210 a semester in 1980
Jun 22, 2007 1:12AM PDT
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My kids attended......
Jun 22, 2007 2:08AM PDT

...... college out of state, but their tuition never increased over those years.

I hate to say what my tuition was per year. ($350, but that was long ago!)

What got me is that even when my kids started college there were remedial English and math courses even then. So the money spent to educate some in the secondary schools didn't always result in kids ready for college work.

Angeline
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It's happening everywhere, Angeline.
Jun 22, 2007 4:28AM PDT

Various schools around here are going up 7-11% this fall. And while they always cite "retaining quality faculty" as one explanation, that's simply a lie -- most faculty are lucky if they get a big enough raise merely to keep up with inflation, much less double to triple it!

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P.S. OTOH, our new Preisdent is getting 27% more
Jun 22, 2007 4:30AM PDT

than the old one got last year, if I've calculated correctly, and most of the Deans, Associate Denas, and Asskisstant Deans typically get raises in the 10% range -- "performance-based," of course!

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We had one....
Jun 22, 2007 5:29AM PDT

....... several years ago that finally was fired.

He had the President's residence totally remodeled, though it had been done shortly before. Including very expensive carpets, and other goodies. Also spent lavishly on trips, etc.

I was amazed that he got away with so much for so long. The Boatd of Regents was definitely asleep on that one.

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The former President of Texas Southern U.
Jun 22, 2007 11:26PM PDT

in Houston is probably headed to the Big House for behavior such as you describe, Angeline. The former comptroller has already received 20 years for aiding and abetting her (she hired him -- and he had a criminal record for embezzlement and bad checks!)
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I have to wonder if some of that isn't artificial
Jun 22, 2007 12:00PM PDT

or due to competition between the schools to fill their campuses. I'm thinking that low tuition costs, while attractive in some sense, might give some the perception of poorer quality. Maybe a tuition hike, even without adding real value, could attract a more "upscale" (I hate that expression) population. As well, alumni are tapped for donations quite aggressively by some colleges and universities. It's not just the students who are approached but their parents as well...(personal experience talking here. Happy Those dollars can be huge if you can tap into the right pockets.

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Over the years......
Jun 23, 2007 12:03AM PDT

....... at least where I've lived, state colleges and universities were attractive because of the comparatively low tuition. Many graduates were as successful as their private institution counterparts.

I recall our investigating various institutions for our kids , especially via a book that was available. One of the criteria cited was how many professors actually taught? Some were on sabbatical to write ("Publish or perish"), etc. This was often true of their flagship profs touted in the brochures.

It was interesting in that some colleges in universities were higher rated than others.

The University of Tennessee is bursting at the seams as enrollment has increases each year. The alumni are quite generous, to boot.

Other state universities are also not lacking for students, Housing has become a problem at all.

Even 30-odd years ago colleges offered remedial courses in English and math. Including a very expensive private university in my area that boasts of the high SAT scores of it's freshmen.

IMO, when costs increase to provide raises in many areas, consumers pay.

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I forget the hrs. I have
Jun 22, 2007 12:56PM PDT

In Ohio, state funds are drying up and caused alot of headaches in tuitions. In effect, they raised tuitions for the shortfall and quite frankly have gotten out of hand.

As for courses, it seems I took English 101, 3x because they wouldn't accept the credits(and others) from the various institutions I went to over the years as i moved from job to job and school to school. I got wore out repeating some classes and trying to stay awake too and on my nickel too. -----Willy

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It's not just knowing the material.
Jun 22, 2007 8:53PM PDT

The proof in in having a paid receipt. I've a sister in law who returned to Ohio State a few years back to try and finish and get her degree. It required a foreign language. She's Cuban born and speaks fluent Spanish. They would not allow her proficiency credit but were requiring her to take course she could probably teach. Happy

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You can take equivalency tests
Jun 22, 2007 11:08PM PDT

Pay a fee per credit hour, take the test, and get credit... at least with the latest school I went to.

You are absolutely right though, about the "receipt" aspect of it.

grim

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(NT) That doesn't surprise me at all :(
Jun 23, 2007 3:09AM PDT
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"Credits won't transfer"
Jun 23, 2007 12:19AM PDT

I know of a lot of people who had the same problem.

Say, they took the English 101 at am accredited junior college. But that credit would not be accepted by the 4 year college they next attended.

I know some adults who are going the on-line route to earn or finish various degrees. When they provide their transcripts, some credits are accepted, some are not.

The last I heard (some time ago) that it was wise for a student attending a community college to check if credits will transfer.

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One reason the cost of college is high
Jun 23, 2007 8:06AM PDT

Is because the government is involved. When they start ?giving? money to students or making it possible for students who really have no business in school, colleges raise their prices because the students aren?t spending their own money. Colleges and the government work together much like the housing industry and the mortgage lenders do to make it ?affordable? at the moment.

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Our esteemed governor
Jun 23, 2007 12:11PM PDT

Has seen fit to give universities a lot of money, especially if it's one he has gone to (A&M). He has cut money going to community colleges. Their budgets are pretty much already set, so now they're trying to figure out what the heck to do with millions of dollars in the red. One nearby college actually has fewer students, but since it is now associated with A&M, it has gotten 80 million dollars over the next two years!

Some of the smaller colleges may close there doors. I think many of them are already struggling, partly because small towns where the students usually came from are smaller.

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Whereabouts in TX are you, Dragon?
Jun 24, 2007 11:10PM PDT

I'm in Galveston, as you doubtless know. Perry is an idiot -- he vetoed $2 million for the Stark Diabetes Center in Galveston, when Diabetes is one of the fastest-growing diseases in the nation and is especially prevalent among Hispanics. While he claims that there should be collaboration between Texas Southwestern and UTMB in this area, most of the money isn't for research, but for actual health care for diabetics, most of them down in the Valley, where up to 50% of the population has the disease. No way Southwestern is going to "collaborate" in providing health care down there! Meanwhile, he complains that the universities aren't focusing on building the workforce for the 21s Century -- but that's exactly what a lot of the line-item vetoes for educational institutions is intended to do (he calls anything that's not classroom teaching "pork!")

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Why so high, Dave....
Jun 25, 2007 4:43AM PDT

That 50% figure on diabetes caught my eye, so I looked at the Ohio State University study. A couple of the statements in it said that Diabetes affects 8.2 percent of all Caucasian Americans and Diabetes is twice as common among Mexican Americans and Puerto Rican Americans then among Caucasian Americans.
Twice as common as 8.2 percent would seem to imply 16.4 percent, but that is way short of 50 percent. This way of looking at it may be an incorrect way to look, but if it is a valid way, it would seem to indicate that something unusual is going on in the valley that drives the 16.4 percent up to 50 percent. That raises the question of what it is. Beats me. It's your field, got an opinion of what could be the cause?

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Just for more fun
Jun 26, 2007 11:22AM PDT
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Amarillo
Jun 26, 2007 12:59PM PDT

I agree Perry isn't the sharpest governor in the drawer.

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(NT) I would gladly trade with you
Jun 26, 2007 8:00PM PDT
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$6000, I wish
Jun 24, 2007 12:26PM PDT

At Penn State the tuition cost for main campus is around 13,000( in state) and 22,000(out of sate) a year
plus or minus 1-2 thousand dollars depending on your major.

But then again, PSU is the nation's least funded State university (or at least among the least)

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What do they care?
Jun 24, 2007 1:28PM PDT

The students just take out bigger loans and are deeper in debt when they graduate. I think student loans is the reason tuition keeps going up so much.

When I went to school, the schools had to keep tuition low (California University didn't have tuition for residents) because the kids and their parents couldn't afford a lot. Now just take out a bigger loan.

Diana

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On students and debt
Jun 25, 2007 12:18AM PDT
Behind the debt eight ball

It?s not just student loan debt sinking our graduates as they head out to the work world.

Credit card debt, cell phone debt, and destroyed credit ratings put them behind the eight ball even before they get started.

?It?s no wonder kids these days get into debt trouble,? says Talbot Stevens, a London, Ont.-based financial educator and author. ?For every start saving message from the financial industry, there are 100 messages to buy now, pay later to give young adults the impression they can enjoy their parents? standard of living today, without realizing that their parents took 20 to 30 years to get there.?

The bottom line is it?s often parents who end up bailing the kids out, after footing higher and higher costs for post-secondary education.

It?s estimated a student?s cost of living jumped 372.8% in the past three decades, while tuition fees have jumped 678%.


More should get enrolled in "the trades" (working with hands and mind) there is a shortasge of tradespeople and with a one year course they can be earning money instead going deeper in debt before they actually start earning money.
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Here in America, there is a shortage of trade workers
Jun 25, 2007 12:58AM PDT

because (mostly) baby boomers told their children it was beneath them to work with their hands.

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Shortage of tradespeople in Canada also
Jun 25, 2007 3:18AM PDT

Might be the reason in Canada also.

One problem is there is either too much work or not enough work for certain trades, and some people like to work all year.

I was never afflicted with that disease.

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Local parachical schools tuition going up
Jun 28, 2007 3:14AM PDT

I hoped I spelled parchioal schools right? Happy But, the local news here that tuition will be doubled, except for expections for parishers and ways to they have to offset the total tuition, AND THIS grades 1-12! ----Willy

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My wife teaches in one
Jun 28, 2007 4:06AM PDT

and the story is the same. There are several reasons...some of which are probably true and some of which are just grumblings. First, and probably foremost is teachers salaries. When nuns were the majority of teachers, that overhead was very low. Very few nuns are left to teach school. Lay teachers in parochial schools are paid far, far less than teachers in public schools and their is pressure to correct this. These two cost items are true. Here come some grumblings.

Catholic parishes (and some other church schools) traditionally had their own schools in growing America long before public systems existed. Being a member of the church brought with it the responsibility to fund the school and the privilege to place one's children in it for little or no tuition charge. As public school systems developed and were tax supported, fewer new churches built schools. The relative numbers of kids in church vs public education systems swapped sides. Today, church schools still need to comply with state education standards and their teachers need proper credentials. Low pay for parochial school teachers who invest the same time in their education is a problem. Fewer are willing to work for 1/2 the potential pay. As well, school administration, that was handled by the local priest, has been outsourced to diocesan level. It's more costly. Parishes seem to be adopting the notion that, if you want a catholic education for your kids, you have to pay for it. The parish collection isn't enough and other fund raising efforts to supplement tuition have been challenged. As well, the Catholic church in the US has seen a serious drain on it's resources because of a few of it's bad priests. I won't get into that but it's very real and the money needs to come from somewhere.

My personal prediction is that this trend will continue. Only the rich parishes (and these are few) will be able to build, maintain and staff their own schools. It's not the rich ones that have, traditionally, produced priests and nuns...but the poor ones. As these numbers dwindle, the problem just cascades.

Oh well, gettin' on a roll here. That's what I can offer as explanation. Some real, and some myth....maybe. Happy

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In Anchorage, Alaska.....
Jun 28, 2007 7:38AM PDT

....... there aren't as many Catholics, so the Diocese cannot give financial help to the 2 or 3 elementariness and one high school. I know that 7 or 8 years ago the tuition was $4,000 per semester.

As Alaskans receive financial benefits from the oil, that is how most pay for their schooling.

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A parallel would be.....
Jul 1, 2007 11:07AM PDT

the costs of students attending private elementary-high school tuitions.

My grandson completed pre-K last year and starts K next month. Tuition for this school year for K grades is $700.00 up front. Another $200.00 for uniforms, then $300.00 a month for the next nine months of school. It's a good school, but certainly not near the top of the list in costs either for this area. My daughter attended public schools, but times have changed. Sad

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You're correct.
Jul 2, 2007 12:54AM PDT

Mine graduated from high school over 20 years ago. The tuition at the same school would now pay the college one. In addition to the books, fees, etc., the school also had a fund raising dinner for the parents, along with other fund raisers in which parents participated.

Angeline
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