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Cnet, please consider moving Natali back to once a week.

Feb 12, 2009 2:11AM PST

I feel that the quality of the show has dropped significantly. Not only does she seem to not bring relevant insight or stories to this podcast, Natali's condescending tones over stories, jokes or references that she does not seem to understand bring down the mood of the show when Tom, Jason or Guest are riffing.

I really love BOL?s geeky humor, insightful commentary, relevant stories and intelligent banter, but lately it is becoming painful to listen to the podcast.

Perhaps her skill set/style are better suited for 'Loaded' or the '404'.

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(NT) How many more usernames can you create?
Feb 12, 2009 2:14AM PST
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@ Kwahhn- This is my first user name
Feb 12, 2009 2:27AM PST

I was trying to add to the sentiment that I do not feel that Natali is a good fit for this show. The user name choice should have probably been 'I2ndthat_No4Natali', but the viewpoint of the post remains the same.

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Well actually,
Feb 12, 2009 2:55AM PST

there are a lot of us who do not feel that way.

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Disagree
Feb 12, 2009 3:11AM PST

I didn't think I would like Natali taking over Molly's position. Because Molly was the one who was mostly on the ball with all her opinions and tech insight. But I have to say that she has filled her shoes rather well.

Natali, from what i've seen/heard, actually has the most insightful opinions much of the time. I really couldn't ask for more, I think we lucked out in getting such a good replacement when Molly moved on.

-ShaneB

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I understand now
Feb 20, 2009 7:25AM PST

So I caught up to where people were at with this thread, and while I still don't completely agree, I can at least see where they're coming from.

Natali does often have a negative undertone to much of what she's saying, but I wonder how much of that is just the New Yorker coming out. Same with the fact that she always has to one-up things other people say; which could just be a deep rooted effect of trying to fit in to the show and gain peer approval.

Still though.. Honestly, I think it's just nice to imagine how cute she is when she's speaking, rare to find a tech enthusiast like her.

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Natali is just less confident that Needleman
Feb 12, 2009 3:35AM PST

If you listen closely to Needleman and Natali, I think you'll find that he talks way more, and he is wrong or mistaken or misunderstands what's going on just about the same percent of the time.

So, while Natali may not be as experienced or wise as Molly, at least she doesn't dominate every show she's on. Needleman, on the other hand, won't shut up and is even more clueless.

Amazing what a dash of assertive self-confidence (no, I didn't say arrogance) can do for you. Maybe Natali would benefit from faking it with (over)confidence, like Rafe does.

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But..
Feb 12, 2009 3:42AM PST

Yeah but you don't listen to Rafe for the information/opinions, you primarily listen to him for his comic-appeal and wild rants.

Still though.. Tong is the comic master.

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Ugh, Molly
Feb 12, 2009 5:27AM PST

Sorry, I never could stand Molly. She was why I stopped listening for a year. A rant is only meaningful if you have your basic facts right. Too often, she didn't.

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Trying To Save Our Show
Feb 12, 2009 5:35AM PST

Listen people,

I know that we are starting to feel like "If everyone keeps complaining, they'll cancel our favorite show". But posting fake messages trying to say that Natali is somehow doing great and that the group is now better than ever is a little sad.

I can't believe that our community has come to this. They won't cancel the show, it's one to the top podcasts on the web. We need to stop fearing that they are all of a sudden going to stop producing it.

We need to just have a uniform voice on the matter. An overwhelming majority of people have noticed the declining quality of the show since Nat became a full co-host.

Voicing the truth and informing Tom that the show isn't working any longer is the very least we can do to save the show. If we don't let them know that it needs to change, then the show will die all on its own.

People are leaving the podcast, they have checked this show off and we need to nip this in the bud before it's too late!

If you care about this show, you need to ask them to please replace Natali with someone better suited for the job.

Thank You.

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An overwhelming majority?
Feb 12, 2009 6:04AM PST

Where are you getting your numbers from?

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maybe she's learning

In the show, for yesterday, she did a much better job interacting with other when she had the person from the 404 in the booth with her. She still isn't able to talk about tech very well. She seemed happier to talk about dancing than the tech stories.

Like I said, she could be good on a podcast, but I don't think she has the passion and knowledge of tech to be on Cnet. She'll be an on TV personality on CNN or MSNBC later, but I bet she doesn't stay in tech, because that doesn't seem to be a love of hers.

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What I didn't like...
Feb 12, 2009 10:18AM PST

...she was using the fact that she couldn't fix her computer to avoid and interrupt almost every story.

*sigh*

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She was being hacked
Feb 12, 2009 10:27AM PST

Most likely that 404 gut set up remote desktop as a prank.
Nobody could ignore that.

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Wish They'd Stop the Constant Pimping of the 404
Feb 12, 2009 9:43PM PST

Seriously, the 404 is an ok pocast and being in sales I understand the benefit of cross-selling but can we tone down the 404 references just a smidge?

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PR
Feb 12, 2009 10:47PM PST

You too, have just promoted the 404.

Please stop reading Balls_Maximus' forum posts, they are filled with lies, and are potentially hazardous to your health.

Read at your own risk.

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Agree with Drop Natali Campaign
Feb 12, 2009 2:22PM PST

Nothing personal against Natali, but the show has become terminally boring since she became co-host . Nothing is going to change that. not more time, not more half-a-chances. We need a host is up to the job from day one.
That's my opinion. Kwahhn has a different opinion but he is starting to sound like a paid public relations person. I'm not saying he actually is, just that his post are indistinguishable from what a snide PR person would say.
I encourage those who would like to see Natali replaced to continue to let their voices be heard.

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Silence does not = support
Feb 12, 2009 9:25PM PST

There's a small number of people, cross-posting and creating new threads which say the same thing, making unsupported allegations which are mostly extremely subjective, and then saying, "Look, there's a whole bunch of posts saying there's a problem so there must be a problem". The fact that a number of people (I suspect they are the actual "large majority" that was referenced earlier) simply do not bother to reply to the irrational flaming because they prefer not to roll in the mud even to argue against an unjust attack. For this group to take the silence as proof that they support their tiny but squeaky minority is sad.

The fact that Kwahhn is quixotic-enough to try to talk rationally to people who are apparently deeply enjoying their own irrationality is something that he might want to look at, but it is all to his credit that he is taking the time to speak up.

I found it very interesting that your last sentence was not a call for a real debate, but just for those who support your position to speak up.

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All I'm saying is be polite when criticizing.
Feb 13, 2009 12:53AM PST

There's a better way to vent your frustrations with the change rather than calling Natali an "annoying babbling head" or "she makes my ears bleed" (just to name a few). Those are the types of posts I'm against.

It's unfortunate that some of you do not approve of the change but you are entitled to you opinions but please convey those opinions in a respectful manner.

CNET, I'm awaiting my check. kthnxbai.

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You have got to be kidding me.
Feb 13, 2009 12:10AM PST

Saving the show? Listen, I have been here longer than just about any of you, have been a listener since the beginning. The show, in my veteran opinion, is as good as always, if not better.

If you don't happen to like Natali's style, that is fine, but don't project your personal feeling out to the rest of the BOL fans, as if there is some significant trend.

Natali is smart, funny and does, indeed, have an edge to her. I think folks get so easily fooled by the good looks and softer voice into thinking that she, herself, is soft.

Tom and Molly.
Tom, Molly and Veronica.
Tom, Molly and Jason.
Tom, Molly, Jason and guest.
Tom, Natali, Jason and guest (including Molly).

It is not as if the show has never changed, and it is not as if the show has been weakened by these changes.

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New Drinking Game
Feb 12, 2009 10:17PM PST

Take a drink when...

1) ...Natali has to reference ad nauseam, that she had already covered this story on Loaded.
2) ...Natali has to "one-up" a topic/point/etc such as, Molly notifying the masses of a charity event... but wait... no unique glow can befall Molly because Natali too has a charity related event.

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I Like it!
Feb 13, 2009 5:36AM PST

Yeah, that charity 1-up thing was just childish on Nats part. It totally stole Tom and Mollys thunder for what they were doing.

Plus Nat couldn't resist talking about twitter. She was starting to have withdrawals.

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Good News
Feb 19, 2009 10:32PM PST

Molly and Tom have a $250 bid for their chat session. Great going guys!!!
We love you guys.

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The Main Issue
Feb 12, 2009 10:28PM PST

The main issue is that 99% of us really miss Molly. We wouldn't care about Natali or anybody else one way or another if it didn't feel like X Non-Molly Person was being substituted for her, and poorly at that. Molly just has a great "radio voice" and the wonderful sense of humor that made BoL fun to listen to. I'm sure a huge portion of BoL's inside-jokes originated with Molly. I realized months ago, long before they reduced/eliminated her role on the show, that the show was really only great when she was on. I remember even wishing at some point last year that they would create a separate feed for the shows when Molly was away/sick. Because they weren't as good.

Natali's just getting hate because she's not Molly. If Molly was still there, no one would complain about Natali.

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Since I can't edit myself
Feb 12, 2009 10:43PM PST

Replying to myself because I can't edit my original post, but just wanted to say that like a few people I've seen, I'm a longtime listener who registered just today for the first time specifically to see if other people were missing Molly and to voice my opinion on that too. I think the main difference between Molly and all the other new people is that the former seemed really excited to be on BoL and to have put some thought into the show in between episodes, whereas the new people seem to convey an attitude of "welp this is just another thing I do during the day".

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We miss Molly, and we missed Veronica before that
Feb 20, 2009 5:52PM PST

I feel like the quality of the average poster on the BOL forum has gone down considerably lately. Maybe it's just that I miss intelligent observations.

I'm not even sure why the Natali haters even bother me, since I know that these crybabies are only acting out because they miss Molly.

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I don't believe in being rude about people
Feb 12, 2009 10:44PM PST

who are just doing their best but I have to agree that Natali, while good on her own show, is just not the right fit for THIS particular show, with THESE particular co hosts. Its nothing personal but she is not right for this particular job. Its all about how the hosts work together to play off each other.

Natali is obviously a very accomplished and articulate journalist. You can see it in her composure and the way she presents herself on her CBS spots. And I appreciate the fact that she's attempting to play a more dominant role now but this has made her tone go from from overly polite to scolding (and almost irritable). And scolding, when done without a sense of humor is just no fun to listen to. My guess is its just not in her nature to act this way and she's going a bit over the top trying to fill the hole Molly left.

This is not really about Molly. I know she's not coming back. Its about the part she played on the show. She was the alpha off of which Tom and Jason played. BOL is the best show CNET has going for it but honestly the chemistry between the hosts is just not there anymore and I would think the producers and the hosts would want to know.

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You know what I haven't had in a while?
Feb 19, 2009 10:40PM PST

Big League Chew

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Enough already
Feb 20, 2009 8:52AM PST

Okay, seriously? These anti-Natali threads are past stupid. Get over it, she's the official host along with Tom, if you don't like it, don't listen.

The people reposting these threads are children: grow up, already. Not only do they upset the community, but I guarantee you they upset the BOL crew. Molly said as much on the show: knock it off already.

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We want to listen, but

BOL is jumping the shark.

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Get over it.
Feb 20, 2009 10:57PM PST

Agreed. I think (as others have stated) that the main issue here is that Natali is not Molly. Molly was burnt out. Raising a kid and writing and hosting 7+ shows per week is hard people and I get the feeling she didn't think she was being enough of a family person (though this is pure speculation) at the same time if your job was becoming too much for you wouldn't you change it. Molly also by the looks of it wants to do something new. She's been doing BOL every weekday for 4 years - take a look at your local news or any other daily show a lot of people don't last that long and for those people it is their only job.
I like Natali but there is no question that she is going to change the dynamic of the show for the very simple reasons that she is not Molly and is 3000 miles away from the rest of the hosts (on a sidenote any time she has been in SF in the past I think her performance has improved. Presenting from a windowless box on your own every day can't be easy). Natali is possibly a softer, less ranty personality than Molly but that is who she is. She is a perfectly accomplished tech reporter and good at her job.
On a last not everyone's hating on Natali's going off topic confuses me. From past chat sessions and the like I remember the best BOL's being when they went deep down a rat-hole. Yesterday's programme was among the best I've heard in the last few weeks.