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Climategate U-turn

Feb 14, 2010 9:53PM PST
Scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

The academic at the centre of the ?Climategate? affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ?keeping track? of the information.
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Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now ? suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ?statistically significant? warming.

And so on...

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Quick! Call Al Gore.
Feb 14, 2010 10:35PM PST

I heard a rumor he got killed in some avalanche in Alaska while looking for evidence of global warming.

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coming soon, to a theatre near you?
Feb 14, 2010 10:58PM PST
An Inconvenient Lie (don't hold your breath waiting for it).

Now I know what an "algorism" is. It's the opposite of an "algorithm".


Algorithm = a series of progressive steps based on factual data that leads to a satisfactory conclusion.

Algorism = a series of progressive steps based on false data that leads to an "inconvenient" conclusion.
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Since you're giving definitions
Feb 14, 2010 11:39PM PST

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now ? suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

sug⋅ges⋅tion
  /səgˈdʒɛstʃən, sə-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [suhg-jes-chuhn, suh-] Show IPA
?noun
1. the act of suggesting.
2. the state of being suggested.
3. something suggested, as a piece of advice: We made the suggestion that she resign.
4. a slight trace: He speaks with a suggestion of a foreign accent.
5. the calling up in the mind of one idea by another by virtue of some association or of some natural connection between the ideas.
6. the idea thus called up.
7. Psychology.
a. the process of inducing a thought, sensation, or action in a receptive person without using persuasion and without giving rise to reflection in the recipient.
b. the thought, sensation, or action induced in this way.

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aka as "tactical retreat"
Feb 15, 2010 3:29AM PST

That's what his "suggest" is being used for.

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RE: tactical retreat
Feb 15, 2010 3:40AM PST

I always thought the term was "tactical withdrawal"


Advance to the rear, but Never say retreat, shouldn't be in the dictionary.

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depends on how fast you're moving
Feb 15, 2010 3:47AM PST
Wink
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RE : And so on...
Feb 14, 2010 11:42PM PST

From your link

Mr Harrabin told Radio 4?s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.

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(NT) If he lied then, then how can you believe him now?
Feb 15, 2010 12:06AM PST
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If you can't believe him now how could you believe him then?
Feb 15, 2010 12:11AM PST

Scientific evidence?

Truth comes out? What possible motive could he have for lying NOW? Plenty for lying (or "making mistakes") then.

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(NT) IOW... you're finally hearing what you wanted to hear
Feb 15, 2010 12:22AM PST
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That made no sense at all.
Feb 15, 2010 12:41AM PST

Can you answer the question?


Thought not.

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(NT) so you don't like what he is saying now?
Feb 15, 2010 2:13AM PST
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It comes down to....
Feb 15, 2010 3:34AM PST

...we don't really care what he's saying, except for the opportunity to point out his glaring inconsistencies which lead to the inconvenient truth upon which Al Gore went around the world like some wild eyed tent preacher spreading his gospel of climatic fear and urging of chicken little political approaches to it. It's sort of like getting shot and then hearing the guy who did it claims to be the only doctor around to dig the bullet out. No thanks.

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It has absolutely nothing to do with what I "LIKE.."
Feb 15, 2010 4:49AM PST

It is what is true or untrue.

Answer the questions, maybe? WHY would he lie now?

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Why did he "lie" then? To get attention?
Feb 15, 2010 5:27AM PST

Well, now he is getting much more attention. Hmmm... he gets what he wants and the climate change doubters get what they want.

Every body's HAPPY !!!

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Yeah, sure, that's it.
Feb 15, 2010 5:44AM PST

What foolish nonsense.

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There was a warm period coinciding and in fact driving the
Feb 15, 2010 8:21PM PST

Viking raids and explorations. Denmark began to look like Holland with much flooding, and population pressure in Norway/Sweden began to force expansion. The Norse moved all through Russia, founding many of its cities, not least Kiev and giving it its name. The Rus were the red-bearded upper class of Viking descent (there, bet you didn't know that).

They created the old cities of Ireland including Dublin, because Celtic cultures didn't coalesce into towns and cities they spread out in clan areas, and were called together by men carrying burning torches to traditional gathering places.

Greenland may well have been green at the time, certainly Iceland was more inhabitable, and Vinland wherever it was had grapes. Generally this is regarded as no farther north that New Brunswick, just north of Maine, but it might possibly have included Newfoundland at the time.

Nevertheless, this warm era ended in under a century, and the Little Ice Age of the 1400's lasted much longer than that, but long enough to allow the creation of ice skates in Holland.

Rob

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Oh, yeah, and they settled Normandy too, and then took over
Feb 15, 2010 9:30PM PST

Britain for the second time. The first time was in the 8th Century before and after Canute (more properly Knut) who created a large kingdom in the Midlands called the Danelaw, because, guess what? Danish law prevailed there. If anyone is going to Britain, be sure to tour Old Jorvik in the town centre of York in Yorkshire, where much of the archaeological evidence for streets and buildings has been found in soggy ground which preserved the wood. It's wonderful. Since you can't touch anything, they've created a sort of hanging ride that takes you through and above the remains which are kept wet and have preservative soaking into them to save the structure rather like the Mary Rose, Henry the VIII flag ship that was raised, or the Wasa in Stockholm which is about 100 years or more later than the Mary Rose, but is virtually complete minus masts. All the carvings are there. It is one of the most breathtaking things you will ever see. There was a big article about it in the National Geographic in my youth or early adolescence. 1960 + or - 5 years.

Have you seen it Mark? and are you interested in such things?

Rob

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My previous reply to this got lost somewhere between my
Feb 15, 2010 9:18PM PST

computer and the Forum display, not the one about Vikings. It was to the effect that this is one controversial scientist at the relatively newly created University of East Anglia (20 years, maybe 25, though I'll happily be corrected if that's wrong) and the masses of data generated by scientists all over the world. Both NOAA and NASA think that Global Climate Change is real. Nor can I see one set of data, no matter how wildly skewed changing the overall averages that much.

So he's an alarmist, and disorganized. That doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't have the data, it means he's sloppy, and can't find it. The case for Global Climate Change still remains suggestive but unproven. Meanwhile, whether man made or natural, we're in for a difficult couple of centuries.

Oh, and the Daily Mail, is neither the Scientific American, nor Nature (the British journal where real science appears) nor is it the American Journal of Climatology (or its equivalent should that not exist). Indeed, what is in the article is that the scientist is disorganized and a prima donna and that he can't find the data, but that his office is filled with papers which might contain the data, or not. There is no evidence for a U-turn presented, and so the headline is misleading.

Rob

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For Ed, and James. The best evidence you will ever have.
Feb 16, 2010 1:29AM PST
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And here's another from the Daily Mail that bastion of .
Feb 16, 2010 1:38AM PST
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Best over all examination of temperature changes over
Feb 16, 2010 1:56AM PST

the past 4.5 billion years. The chart if vertical with the present at the top. The availability of more accurate temperature evidence through ice cores and deep sea cores accounts for the sharply jagged line towards the present. It discusses all the major changes including the 1000 to 1300 warming, and the 1450 to 1880 Little Ice Age.

Please note the KT boundary at 65 Million years ago shows no indication of cooling despite the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.

The KT boundary is the Cretaceous Tertiary (labelled Pliocene, one of its subdivisions, here) Boundary layer. It's called K so as not to confuse it with Cambrian, and possibly because it was discovered by a German.

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Now, for contrast, here is a discussion of a Fox News
Feb 16, 2010 2:44AM PST

report on the same subject, referring to a supposedly suppressed EPA document contradicting Global Warming which was picked up and spread uncritically by CBS:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200906290049

I quote here, a comment made by a reader of the story which appears 100% on the money to me.

by mk3872 (June 29, 2009 9:33 pm ET)
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"WHAT!?!? The figgin MSM picked up this FAUX story??

"They will take ANYTHING that shows conflict no matter how bogus.

"What is even worse about this "story" is that it came via Michelle Malkin and Fox News. But that's not enough for CBS to realize something is not right here???

"The guy that wrote the "study" is an ECONOMIST, not a SCIENTIST.

"He is a global warming denier that wrote his own "STUDY".

"He then takes this to Fox News & Michelle Malkin saying the EPA is SUPRESSING his report. The entire thing is CONCOCTED."

The emphasis is entirely his own, though I agree with it. Note that the study author is not a climatologist or any kind of scientist, but is and Economist. Please also note that this piece of Fox Fiction was picked up and run by CBS with no critical examination of its accuracy. The most cogent statement about any news organization these days is this: "They will take ANYTHING that shows conflict no matter how bogus."

That's how you boost circulation or viewership. That's why Fox is watched by so many people. I still don't know what to make of that Most Trusted News Program poll, it certainly seems ridiculous to me, but I have non-standard standards apparently.

Rob

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from hockey stick to hockey puck
Feb 16, 2010 3:21AM PST

They are running out from all doors at the Global Warming Temple of Doom. In a few years this will all be written up as historical folly, like the Tulip economy and other great follies.

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(NT) Time will tell he said with great originality. Rob
Feb 16, 2010 7:05AM PST