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"Choose Live" license plate causing concerns

Our governor has signed legislation approving the "Choose Life" plate. Groups such as the ACLU and Planned Parenthood are opposing it for many reason. One of these is a feeling that it violates the first amendment. One rub is that, to acquire the plate, one must donate a sum of money to an organization promoting/involved in adoptions. Others argue that the "Choose Life" statement fits properly the full meaning of "Freedom of Choice". I happen to agree. I cannot imagine how the plate violates the first amendment. Certainly, if it could be approved to make this plate available, one could think that a "Choose Abortion" license plate with donated money going to defray medical costs of pregnancy terminations would need to be agreeable to some. Comments?Confused


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''Choose Life'' acknowledges the making of a choice....

....so in that sense, if it's a right-to-life slogan, I don't think it's saying what they meant it to say.

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A "Right To Life" slogan is just that

and it should not have the endorsement of a State Governor to speak for the whole state by displaying it on a state license plate. Not unless he's also prepared to endorse another plate that states "Right To Choose".

There are plate HOLDERS that can be made and purchased without it being on the plate itself....

TONI

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RE: "Right To Choose".

Suppose we get rid of all liscense plate displays, commercial sales in Post Offices, state seals, flowers, and birds. Why not just make the entire country socialist or fascist so we all get the same food (or non), same vehicles (or none), same education (or non), same pay (or non), etc., until no one has any desire improve anything. So we can stand in line all day with a wheel barrow full cash for a slight chance to get a stale loaf of bread that may mot even exist in the firs place.


All they have to do is get it sponsored in a bill. Not difficult, doesn't even have to be costly. They just prefer to exhaust there time, effort and money trying to prevent folks from expressing their own points of view.

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But if someone

considers a pregnancy termination but opts to hang on for the full term, have they not exercised a freedom of choice? Is it an innuendo that troubles? It's obvious to me by how quickly the first replies landed and their posted times that the links I provided could not have been read. If you look at them, you will see that I posted nothing in support of the plates.

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8 minutes and 12 minutes

from the time your post hit to when I read and posted my two replies. I did read your links, Steve....I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you personally, but rather I was disagreeing with the Governor of Ohio for endorsing the plate.

TONI

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I thought I was more than fair

by not presenting any statements by any group who may have lobbied for approval for this plate. I don't read here that our governor necessarily "endorsed" the issue in the sense of giving it special blessing. He accepted the vote of the legislative bodies by signing it and that's all that is mentioned. My own issue it more with the ACLU's claim in my morning paper (and it's not contained in this post) that the plate violates first amendment rights. Maybe I'm stupid but, no matter how far I stretch, I cannot reach and find any violation of that sort. Personally, I would never purchase one...nor will I adorn my vehicle with any political, religious, or other message that might rile someone. I'll add about our governor and other elected officials that I doubt any of them got into office by promising to fence sit.

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RE: "But"

"but opts to hang on for the full term"

"But" isn't that her "choice"?

Would you tell the child it was a BAD "choice"?
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"It's obvious"

If some one were to tell you that the Koran is better reading than the Bible, would you necessarily have to read the Koran in order to agree with them or not?
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"could not have been read"

No chance anyone could possibly read faster?

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(NT) (NT) Hey! You're not supposed to check on us! :-)
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RE: "I don't think it's saying what they meant it to say"

Who are you to detetmine for them what "they" mean to say? Don't you think "they" are capable of knowing what "they" themselves mean to say?

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I disagree

The very fact that a Governor would approve that plate smacks of the State itself making an attempted stand to put pressure on the Roe v Wade laws to be changed and that the Governor is endorsing it based upon his own personal preferences rather than following law. The same plate was stamped out in Louisiana because it was ruled unconstitutional. Hear, hear

TONI

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RE: "I disagree"

When a few leaders decided it was not right to enslave/buy/sell one another or to burn/hang/drown "witches" we're they wrong because the "law" said otherwise?

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If people want such a message on their license plate,

it hurts nothing to put it there. After all, it is displayed on THEIR car. If their state has slogans for other groups on its plates, then it must allow this slogan also.

There is far too much in the way of other people trying to tell you what you can or cannot do. This is one of those cases. Get over it!

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ACLU and Planned Parenthood...

If the whinners don't like it they don't have to buy it. They are not genuinely concerned with protecting "Freedom Of Speech" but rather stiffling it when it does not suite them.

Like some others, "they just don't get it".

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Hi, Steve.

I have no problem with a "choose life" license plate being available, if there's also a plate available with a pro-choice message, perhaps for those contributing to Planned Parenthood.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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RE: "Hi, Steve." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just like the pro-lifers did you just need to get it sponsored on a bill.

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I mentioned that myself

but certainly I would not expect Planned Parenthood would adopt a slogan countering "Choose Life" as such as "Choose Abortion". "Choose Life", to me, is actually a clever use of expression within the current law and I can see how some would consider it to be subtle subterfuge. Words can come back to haunt. In Ohio, we already (as do other states) have special plates available at a premium. One is a "wildlife" (animal protection, not pro debauchery:)) plate. Some could say that it's a subtle political statement and anti business, development, and such. Again, my confusion on the topic was an ACLU claim that this might be a 1st amendment violation. As for myself, I am not in favor of plates becoming small highway billboards.

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Steve, my own favorite is...

"against abortion? Don't have one!" However, I'd expect "pro-choice" would be the appropriate slogan. Of course, "choose life" is disengenous, because those who follow that mantra want to make the choice for everyone else, under all circumstances, and that's not a "choice."

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Persons on either side of the

issue claim the other's stated position is a misnomer and both call the other by what they feel is appropriate. To me, the terms "Pro Choice" and "Pro Life" are born out of marketing decisions but have taken on specific identities. Prior to fallout from R vs W, the use of either of these terms carried no specific definition.

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Why destroy innoicent or defenseless Human life?

It only fuels a social tradition of killing for convenience. Next to the nation of China the US is probably the largest killer of innocent or defenseless Human life weather that Human life is unborn, strapped to a table, old, sick, or doesn't have "quality of life" in someone elses eyes.

I figure the destruction of Humane life onnocent or defenseless is simply a product of uncontrolable (and usually misdirected) hate. And that hate acted upon in any manner further perpetuates hate in our society. And that until we figure this out we will continue to fall victum of our hate.

We need to respect innocent and defenseless Human life simply because it is Human life with no strings attached - Period!

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So ...

... you would have no problem with "Save the Caribou" licence plates so long as "Stop Foreign Dependence on Oil" ones? LOL

These license plates are always issued in response to requests by advocacy groups. A while back there was a thread here in SE about the sheer number of them in one state, and how many were ended for lack of interest.

I would have no problem with a Right to Choose license plate if enough people wanted them. How this violates the First Amendment is beyond me! My state offers "Pet Adoption" and "Save the Sound" plates, NYS has "NY Yankee" plates. Does that mean Pataki is endorsing the Yankees at taxpayer expense?? LOL!

Evie Happy

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I guess you can only have a Yankees plate
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I do a lot of driving in NY ...

... I've never seen a Mets plate! Wonder if they have one?

Evie Happy

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Well I had to check ...

... and they do.

The list of organizations is pretty astounding. Getting a bit ridiculous!!

Evie Happy

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We Have a Red Sox Plate.

and just about 100 other vanity combos if you want to pay for them.

NH has the motto "Live Free or Die" on their plates.

George

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(NT) (NT) ... and be thankful we don't live in Toledo. :-)
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"So ..."

"you would have no problem with "Save the Caribou" licence plates so long as "Stop Foreign Dependence on Oil" ones? LOL"

Not sure I understand what you're asking here. Probably cause had a Long day. I figure any group that can get one attached to a bill that passes is OK. IF an advocacy plate looses or doesn't maintain enough interest/revenue to justify keeping he plates available then theres no sense on continuing the plate.

"Does that mean Pataki is endorsing the Yankees at taxpayer expense??"

I guess if in response to a mandate by the people(or enough people to justify the plate) but then I'm not a resident of NY.

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I was responding to ...

... the assertion that a "Choose Life" plate would be OK, only IF it's opposing message was also offered. That doesn't seem to be how these plates get offered. Every advocacy group that wants one of their plates should go through the same process. If a legislature votes in a "For" plate, that doesn't mean the "Against" folks get to sidestep the process and get one by default.

I looked at the website for NYS license plates. There are a ton of them, including several NASCAR drivers that have nothing to do with NY. And not just one, but THREE Union plates and no anti-union on!

I guess we'll be headed down the road of no specialized plates, which would be fine with me.

Evie Happy

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Steve..ACLU?

ACLU..Does that mean:
Anti-Christian League United??
Thanks.

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I could offer that the ACLU

might just be another example of a group that started out with good intentions, got enough attention to get a few things straighened out that need to be straightened and then just plain ran out of real work to do. Now, instead of straightening us out, they just get us all bent out of shape.Happy
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Actually I see them as the necessary evil type thingy

There will always be radicals on both sides, so you can only hope that they balence out somewhat.

The ACLU has done both good and harm in my opinion, and often gotten ridiculous court rulings setting precedents for later miscarriages of justice.

But without such groups, others would have the field to themselves and carry on. As it is, they perform checks on each other to a degree.

JMO

Roger

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