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Chilling information IMO. (Coronavirus)

Jan 28, 2020 1:02PM PST
"China coronavirus: Misinformation spreads online about origin and scale"

Recently I was sucked into the alt-right vortex to check something from another site. (I've since gone before the High Priest seven times to cleanse myself.)
There are indeed statements there which make no sense in any universe I'm aware of, repeated many times to the choir, with no room for any rebuttal. True believers all. And as noted in the article some of these folk are influencers beyond their normal (?) habitat.
Goes well beyond red/blue discussions that suffer from the same wilful ignorance, but which do not imperil public health.

We've been discussing the world's fake news problems out of necessity, and discovered that our sources are reliable and truthful. How you guys doing?

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Here's another view of the data.
Jan 28, 2020 1:49PM PST
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Good catch. Thank you.
Jan 28, 2020 4:56PM PST

One graph begins with the "nine dead" I remember from the first report- just a week ago! Newly in the news is the phrase "very contagious".
The BBC commended the Chinese scientists for decoding the virus so quickly. It's bureaucracy that is slowing diagnosis and treatment, as shown in the anecdotes presented. That means that there are many more cases that are unreported. Thanks to its siege mentality and Xi's passion for control, China is an unreliable source of information about China. Yet the people who need it are not working from Sinophobic motives.

Did I forget anything? Oh, yes. Three accounts of Jesus' prophecy of a period called "the last days", Mt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Only Luke, a physician, mentions widespread "pestilences". The accounts mesh very well with the period of history beginning in 1914.
Or so we say.

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Reuters again, just in.
Jan 30, 2020 10:30PM PST

"China has reported nearly 10,000 cases and 213 deaths, but the virus has spread to 18 countries, mostly, presumably, by airline passengers."

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New information
Feb 12, 2020 7:14PM PST

There were 242 new deaths today in China. And the total cases rose above 60,000!

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Well, that is bad news.
Feb 12, 2020 7:39PM PST

The most hopeful news was just yesterday. Some authorities were saying we might be over the hump, based on a slowing of new cases. Wrong, I guess.
The fatalities are family tragedies of course, but the worldwide worst of it is the many billions of dollars it has cost, even if it ended tomorrow. Direct and indirect.
Many of Reuters' stories are about international companies changing well-laid plans over a particle we couldn't even see not that long ago.

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Just now on Reuters.
Feb 10, 2020 11:57PM PST

'Over 1000 total deaths; a new daily record as well'.
That was the 97 I read about a day ago.
Well, no, it wasn't. It was 108- the new daily record. (All in China, I think.)
Given what I see about what we do know and don't know, about cases and fatalities and new cases, I think the unknowns are winning. "Tip of the iceberg" is being used more often now. Sad
'What is the infection rate?' 'Don't know; insufficient data.'
'What is the mortality rate?' 'Don't know; insufficient data.'

I strongly recommend The Great Influenza, John M. Barry, Viking, 2004. After Ebola and SARS but of course before this one. P. 167 ff. tells of the beginning, the spread (rapid but mild, at first), and the mortality jump.
It's why I mentioned the iceberg. A different pattern, but also disturbing.

Side note. My smartphone vocabulary capitalizes Ebola and makes SARS all-caps, unbidden.

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For some years there has been discussion about the factor of
Jan 29, 2020 11:50PM PST

modrrn high-speed travel in epidemics. This just in, from BBC: Emphasis added.
"The virus has caused at least 170 deaths, spreading to every Chinese region and at least 16 other countries."
From one region and two other countries, in about two weeks.

Other hand: at least one crackerjack vaccine factory is working on the specific Wuhan strain. (Not the animal version in the article )

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Common misunderstanding; understandable.
Jan 30, 2020 1:20PM PST

" 'I'm in an apocalypse:' American student trapped in coronavirus-hit Chinese city"
(Reuters interview)

No, he isn't. The Bible's apocalypses are good news.

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time to rest....
Mar 12, 2020 7:23AM PDT

It’s good when you are isolated with a few bottles of good wine ....

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