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Check out my build please someone.

Jun 1, 2005 8:38AM PDT

I'm building a computer and this just so happens to be the first one I have ever attempted to build. I was hoping someone could check this out and assure me that it is all compatible before I go ahead and start ordering parts.

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard

Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus NCQ 80GB ST380817AS SATA 8MB Cache

HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X800 XL ICEQII TURBO 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (PCI-Express)// Or something else if someone says so ...

Arctic Cooling T1 Silentium Silent Midi Tower Case - 350W Seasonic Silent PSU

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz Socket 939, 512KB Winchester!

Crucial Ballistix PC-3200 BL6464Z402 512MB DDR

I think that's all I need I already have a DVD R/RW and I'll be buying another HDD later one with another stick of Crucial Ballistix PC-3200 (512)

So I think it's all set all these parts were found on www.overclockers.co.uk

Any advice?

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change 2 things, possibly 3...
Jun 1, 2005 9:06AM PDT

A) don't get that PSU, get a PSU with 450W-550W and 20A or more on the +12v rail

B) don't get Crucial RAM, if your planning on performance OC'ing or any tweaking grab something in a simmilar price range from OCZ or Corsair's XMS line

C) nVidia is supposed to launch it's new GeForce 7 series at the end of June (supposed to be June 22nd, but could get moved, but the 22nd is the most recent date i've found for it) and the thing will absolutly kill, so if you want more power you might consider that, and ATi is expected to launch it's new graphics card around the same time (R520, what it's called I have no clue, Radeon 11? or something new, but R520 is the name of the core design)

another thing, what is cooling the CPU? (is it including a fan?) also consider case air flow
aside from that, and the minor issue that R420/R480 doesn't support SM 3.0 (that means it can't play DirectX 9.0c) you are fine

if you want to buy a graphics card NOW, instead of waiting 4 months for nVidia/ATi to have their full lines out (nVidia will probably launch with the GTX, which is the highest end one, meaning it'll cost the most, and ATi will probably launch with the highest end one also, but to get down to the basic 7800's and basic ATi's will take a little longer (in theory))

but if you want it NOW, I would suggest an nVidia chip
while a 6800GT will be slightly slower, it will provide ShaderModel 3 support
yes, you can emulate SM3.0 on the X800XL, but the performance will be terrible (SM3.0 is found in all the latest games (HL2, FarCry, the upcoming U3 engine along with many others, Doom III and many others don't use it though) any current game will run amazingly fast on the X800XL
but considering that in about 6 months nVidia's new cards will be in full force
along with healthy competition from ATi (i know more about nVidia's new cards (like, their name) while I don't know so much about ATI's stuff, so I talk about nVidia's more because I know it about it more)

plus Intel and AMD are putting dual core
Intel should have chips on the market around July, and AMD is planning Q3-Q4 era from what i've read

that system would nontheless be fast, and I know you probably can't afford a dual core CPU (Which will retail for between $650 and $1100 US) and nVidia and ATi's new cards will probably be between $450 and $750 US on release, depending on the OEM, the retailer, and when your buying it

that system in no way would be bad
until you tried to run SM3.0
it can be software emulated, BUT the drawback is that it cuts performance down (a lot, if your emulating both Vertex and Pixel shader (one is easy/non-intenesive, and one is hard/mega-intensive, but i forget which is which, I think PS is the more intensive one, but i'm not entirely sure)

but with the exception of the RAM/graphics, which arne't bad, just not what i'd pick/reccomend/use
personally i'd say Corsair or OCZ (Muskin is also good)
and a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra depending on price

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As for the RAM ...
Jun 1, 2005 10:47PM PDT

Maybe some day I'll want to Overclock so ...

Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2 Pro CAS2

Anygod? ... it's cheaper than.

Crucial Ballistix PC-3200 BL6464Z402 512MB DDR

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(NT) (NT) CAS 2 is great
Jun 2, 2005 10:18AM PDT
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Has anyone seen thg_video_10_athlon64?
Jun 1, 2005 11:21PM PDT

Where that guy turns on his computer and the Windows logo screen takes seconds then in almost NO time XP comes on .... should this be expected on a x64 CPU?

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(NT) (NT) Please give a link, I can't find it at thg
Jun 3, 2005 7:48AM PDT
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This is the video!
Jun 3, 2005 8:21AM PDT
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You can't run Dual Channel until
Jun 1, 2005 10:39AM PDT

you get that second stick of "matching" memory. Using matching rather loosely.

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it just has to be the same size...
Jun 1, 2005 12:26PM PDT

and speed
and timings (if not, the board will default to looser timings)

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Yes I know. Why don't you reply
Jun 1, 2005 12:58PM PDT

to the originator of the thread???

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Okay!
Jun 1, 2005 8:05PM PDT

So it's okay EXCEPT the PSU? it is all compatable?

Sorry I took so long to reply, we have a different time scale.

I'd like the computer to be nice and fast and run big games like Doom 3 well so is the video card okay?

I'm not an overclocker though.

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Help??
Jun 1, 2005 8:09PM PDT
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When you add cheap, I supply no help.
Jun 2, 2005 8:10AM PDT

The Antec True Power line is their good line. They make a lesser, low bid line. Prices I know not. Read some of Robert Proffitt's stuff, get high wattage rating at cheap price, and you'll likely have so much margin that there is no problem. Placessuch as computer geeks he points to.

As to gaming/video, I think that OZOS has provided many good inputs in these forums. Click on his profile and see the list of his recent posts.

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ok, i'd do...
Jun 2, 2005 10:21AM PDT

a GeForce 6800 and the Antec NeoPower 480W on the top of that page
the 6800 will provide enough power for Doom III and other games, you can get the GT if you really want more oomph (But it'll cost more) but i'd avoid current Radeons (their lack of SM3.0 will be rather annoying, since ATi moves to SM3.0 by July, and nVidia continues with SM3.0, and games move there by fall, and not having it would be oh so annoying give nthe cost of an X800XL)

and the NeoPower is easily fas enough

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Owch!
Jun 3, 2005 8:24AM PDT

Is there any cheaper, just as good PSUs?

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Why not the enermax
Jun 4, 2005 2:41AM PDT

cooler giant???

IO have no idea what cheap is to you, and the VAT WOW.

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Umm
Jun 4, 2005 3:03AM PDT

That one is

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Confused me, which Antec???
Jun 4, 2005 3:07AM PDT

You are at an overclocker's site, so you are NOT going to find lower price, possibly lower grade power [but still good] supplies there.

The neo power is neat because the cables are separate, so you don't have to stuff a bunch of unused cables in that can block airflow and access.

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Would this be okay? Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Case?
Jun 4, 2005 5:42AM PDT

Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Case - 380W TruePower Silent

Would be work out better?

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It is unclear to me where you stand.
Jun 4, 2005 6:11AM PDT

I thought that you already had a case and power supply, and OZOS said to get a better one and and got you on to a much higher performance system.

Maybe reset your thinking, because many of the things that OZOS recco'd arfe those things that are demanding a very good power supply. When you start bringing the budget into account, some rethinking may be necessary. That's why when you earlier said "cheap" for a Power Supply, your scenario began to come unglued in my mind.

Which of the super components are you really going to use???

At budget level the new case & supply that you mention may well be OK. I really think that you should rethink and repost your planned setup, and check again.

A true system design is a well balanced match of components that meet the required specs. I say that as a retired System Enginner. As such, a solution that simply used the best of everything simply could not be sold. Even the Government customer would not pay one IOTA for exceeding the specification. The only requirement is to MEET the specs. Anyone can tell you to buy the best of everything.

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I do, and i'm also going to go against you for a bit
Jun 4, 2005 2:17PM PDT

while your words are true
and while I usually suggest high performance parts (Sry if i got you thinking into the expensive range) I suggested the NeoPower for one reason
and that was that it's an EXCELLENT UNIT

being modular
being 480W
neither of those mater

what matters is:

A) good company
B) Active PFC
C) each 12v rail could run your planned system fine, it has 2 of them (i'm saying if you had a PSU with just one of those rails and the rest of the NeoPower's specs) that are each excellent


so i'm not going "oh lookie, it's the top end (it's not) and it's 480W" i'm going "don't buy a 350W or 450W generic, cuz you'll be replacing it in 9 months after it blows out"


and if your buying a PSU
don't follow a VC's "requirement"
as it'll always be off (most of the time)
a 6800U "requires" a 300W or 350W PSU (something in that range) with fairly low specs
consider
that is in a system that nVidia has set-up with probably a low grade CPU (a low power drain chip, such as a Pentium 3) 1 HDD, 1 or 0 optical drives, 1 stick of RAM, no floppy, no PCI accessroies, just the video card basically

they reccomend a 480W unit
because at the 450W-550W level you can power all the other stuff you'd want

the NeoPower is excellent because it provides headroom for growth (want dual core? it can have enough oomph) it also is of the highest quality
other Antec and Enermax units are also good
the NeoPower is just an easy suggestion, as it's a rather moderatly priced unit, and it can drive any modern system (once nVidia launches G70 that'll change)

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maybe...
Jun 4, 2005 11:17AM PDT

that might be an ok combination if you really want to cut corners and limit your ability to add more later on without possibly taxing the PSU. personally i'd look for at least a 400 or 450 wt antec PSU and look for a seperate case. especially if you want to go with a 6800 gt, gt oc, or ultra. i dont know much about the psu tha'ts included with that case but for $100 or so (on newegg) my guess would be that it might not be the best but still quite good. just a thought.

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I would go w/ bigger HDD w/ 16 MB buffer
Jun 2, 2005 10:16PM PDT

You never have enough room, Maxtor Diamond Max has 250 & 300 GB drives w/ 16 mb buffer, spend the money here, it's where your data will be living for several years.