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Cheaper IR Camera's not work through windows?

I just bought this cheapish IR IP camera: http://www.bargaincell.com/product_28107_3754.html

Its the cheapest IP IR camera with the most features, (11 leds, pan and tilt) I could find for the price, and it works fine except for a big problem related to my use of it. The IR led's seem to reflect off the glass of a windows that I need to have it see through. Theres a option in the interface to turn off the LED's and I have selected it, but it doesnt seem to do anything, they still reflect badly in the image, and even though the web interface shows them off, they are clearly still on ( you can see clearly see some red in the led's when the camera is on)

What I'm wondering is will all LED IR cameras that are similar to this (as in the cheapish price range like 100-200) reflect off glass that is in front of them, and essentialy make the IR useless for looking through a window?

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5822/ipcamirlightsdb7.jpg

This is how the image looks with the IR led's that cannot be turned off, when It is aiming out a window. however it is fine inside or not aiming through a window.

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glass reflects IR

In reply to: Cheaper IR Camera's not work through windows?

it is a very common problem not highlighted by the vendors!

see: http://www.ealingroad.com/faq_nightvision.html

"if you are mounting a [IR] camera to see through a window, during the day you get a nice sharp picture, but as soon as it gets dark and the IR lights come on, all you see is a bright white glow, as the lights are reflected off the glass!"

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IR Illuminators bouncing off of window glass.

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The simple answer is that light reflects off of glass!
The glass used in the front face of most cameras with integrated IR Illuminators is "IR Corrected" to prevent the light from bouncing back into the imager. IR Corrected glass on the camera will not prevent the light from bouncing off your window back in to the imager.
We are one of the vendors who do highlight that problem on our product pages and in our glossary and FAQ's. It is not advisable to mount an IR camera to look through a window! If you want Infra Red and a camera looking through a window you must mount illuminators outside the window.

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Same issue

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I bought a similar camera....was thinking of maybe a anti-glare film....or just mount it outside and hope for the best!
Yes its a indoor camera, but for $80 wireless and e-mails pic's....I think I'm gonna try it.

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Foscam

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This is my exact problem! Would I be right in saying its a foscam haha? - did you find a way of preventing this in the end ?

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Your problem

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I use Foscam cameras and I mount them in the window. This is a problem with all cameras and thats why they have a line of outdoor cameras. Your probably like me and want the cameras to do both. If you open the lens up you can see ok. If you are running these cameras for security reasons and that is a concern you probably need some additional outdoor lighting anyway. Foscam has an outddoor camera that is ethernet powered. Thats the recomendation Foscam gave me.

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Infra-red light and glass

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Glass does not pass infra-red photons through it, so IR devices cannot see through glass. IR is the indication of an objects temperature and emits IR photons in proportion. Dual (IR and optical) cameras will see through the window during the day but not at night. Even an IR flood can't help push the photons through the glass. Scientific IR scanners use lenses made from pure silicone germainium. Opaque to regular light but acts as a standard optical element to IR photons.

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