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If youtake a Greyhound 2000 miles...
Jun 3, 2007 9:07PM PDT

You are potentially infecting ALL the people on the Greyhound. If you take a Greyhound 10 miles you are potentially infecting ALL the people on the Greyhound. The Greyhound is not spraying the surroundings with germs as it goes.

If your rich yuppie spends 8 hours on an airliner going x miles or 16 hours on an airliner going 2x miles, he is not spreading any more germs in the latter instance. Fewer in fact, because he has less time OFF the airliner in which to spread more germs.

But really, this is just another distraction. The truth of it is someone made an idiotic prejudiced statement and now you guys are spinning madly to try to avoid admitting that it was an idiotic prejudiced statement. That's all.

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You are potentially infecting ALL the people
Jun 3, 2007 9:17PM PDT

on the bus plus every station you stop at to take a "rest break", and then You are potentially infecting ALL the people on the next bus you take, and of course You are potentially infecting ALL the people who get on the bus 200, 400, 500 or 750 miles down the road...

and for what it's worth, any sane person would take out #2


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By the same token...
Jun 3, 2007 9:32PM PDT

if you walk to the corner store and infect everyone in it and then go to a ball game you risk infecting all the people in the stadium. Since you're not stuck on a bus you have the potential to infect many more people. If you arbitrarily change the parameters you can "prove" anything.

By the way, if you only go 200 miles you might still make rest stops and of course you are having the exact same effect on future passengers in the bus.

You are still dodging the main point, which is that the guy being rich is completely irrelevant.

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Nonsense.
Jun 3, 2007 10:45AM PDT

The poor guy with the disease may work in an airport. He doesn't need to travel. Everyone he infects will travel for him.

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(NT) Exactly my point about Speaker!
Jun 4, 2007 2:43AM PDT
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I should add...
Jun 4, 2007 2:49AM PDT

... that a man in one airport or a man traveling from airport to airport certainly presents two different levels of risk. Speaker not only let people from one airport possibly do the traveling for him... but indeed he visited several airports.

Compound this with how many tourist locations where transient visitors may be exposed.

For those sensitive to the word "rich" and "poor" (which I have found so asinine) should we substitute "vacationing"? Either way one looks at it... the discussion falls under the realm of mobility and oppurtunity to expose others to a contagion.

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No, the "poor Hispanic" would...
Jun 3, 2007 3:20AM PDT

have (depending on how far south he originated) would have sneaked across borders spreading the disease as he goes among whoever he or she comes into contact with and they in turn (rich, poor and middle income) would further the spread as they go about their lives.

Sorry to distress you by pointing this out "grim" but financial positioning has nothing to do with it.

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Yeah. complain to the CIC about that one! ;-)
Jun 3, 2007 3:27AM PDT

He's the one in charge of the borders for the past 6 years, right?

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his money isn't the threat
Jun 3, 2007 4:06AM PDT

but it did allow him to (potentially) spread a disease (he knew he had) to a lot more people, over a much wider area, at a greater speed, than any ******* you could care to mention...


and btw, IMO, a later post of yours that says "and what if he had been black?" has absolutely no bearing on the matter at hand


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How many times go I have to say it....
Jun 3, 2007 4:30AM PDT

Poor people travel too. They have just as much, if not more potential to spread disease than this guy did. That is a fact, Jonah. (as far as we know he infected no one)

And yes, my post saying, "and what if he had been black?" has direct bearing on the matter at hand. It demonstrates that Grim is operating on prejudice pure and simple.

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WHY did he do it?
Jun 2, 2007 11:55PM PDT

His reasons are because he is/was/thinks he is a very well-educated, successful, intelligent person,

So being "successful" (financially ?) has something to do with being able to do something that others can't.

Such as disobeying the law.

He did everything they told him to do, except what they told him to do. Wink

Federal Quarantine for TB Traveler


The man told the Journal-Constitution the CDC contacted him in Rome during his honeymoon, telling him that he had to turn himself in to Italian authorities to be isolated and be treated. The CDC told him he couldn't fly aboard commercial airliners.

"I thought to myself: You're nuts. I wasn't going to do that. They told me I had been put on the no-fly list and my passport was flagged," the man said.

He told the paper he and his wife decided to sneak back into the U.S. via Canada. When he arrived back in the United States, he voluntarily went to a New York hospital, then was flown by the CDC to Atlanta. He is not facing prosecution, health officials said.

"I'm a very well-educated, successful, intelligent person," he told the paper. "This is insane to me that I have an armed guard outside my door when I've cooperated with everything other than the whole solitary-confinement-in-Italy thing."

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Rich *******!
Jun 2, 2007 11:59PM PDT

Kill them all!

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You advocate suicide?
Jun 3, 2007 12:11AM PDT

I don't

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Very funny...
Jun 3, 2007 12:44AM PDT

believe me, I am very very far from being rich.

The point is that there are rich arrogant jerks that think they are above the law, and there are poor arrogant jerks who think they are above the law, and there are middle-class arrogant jerks who think they are above the law.

The social status doesn't matter The operative phrase is "arrogant jerk".

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Poor arrogant jerks...
Jun 3, 2007 12:57AM PDT

don't travel to Europe very often for their wedding.

You keep forgetting that the big issue here is international travel... and the failure of authorities in several countries to detain the guy... including the US border patrol.

Diagnosing TB is not news worthy to anyone but the poor sod who has it.

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No, the issue is NOT international travel
Jun 3, 2007 1:06AM PDT

It was YOU bringing in class distinction

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"class" distinction?
Jun 3, 2007 1:13AM PDT

I mentioned "wealth" being a contributing factor to mobility.

Obviously you have a problem in confusing wealth with "class" though.

Bet you're a big fan of Donald Trump.

Wink

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Trump? Can you stay on topic
Jun 3, 2007 3:01AM PDT

As you so brilliantly suggested earlier that the 1918 flu pandemic was spread through the American troop deployment in Europe, how many of those were rich (or "wealthy" as you seem to think ,makes a difference)? As several here have tried to get through to you, there is a MUCH higher chance that a poor Mexican (Not a rich maroon)will enter here with a dangerous communicable disease. Since this person did NOT contract TB in a foreign country and then travel here, the ability to travel (which you equate to wealth) has NOTHING to do with it. Besides, walking is free.

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weak riposte DM.
Jun 3, 2007 3:17AM PDT

aside from that... if that is what you intended to say then why waste my time with the class issue? Try to make it an immigration issue for all your worth... but if you want to go there then we need to discuss the failures of the past 6 years of the current administration do do something about our weak borders.

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Weak? HA !!!
Jun 3, 2007 4:07AM PDT

Bottom line is that you got busted on your class war bigotry and spent how many posts waisting how many electrons trying to evade it. In no way have I made it an immigration issue, but you can dodge and weave all you want all you wan, but you is what you is.

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High five!
Jun 3, 2007 4:39AM PDT

Classic!

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RE: Classic!
Jun 3, 2007 4:53AM PDT

For you 2, It is.

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The failures of the past 6 years...
Jun 3, 2007 4:15AM PDT
of the current administration do do something about our weak borders.

And all the previous Administrations? I realize EVERYTHIHG is Bush's fault, though...

Look, YOU are the one arguing that there's no threat from illegals coming over the border. Hello. That's what we have been trying to tell you.
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After 9/11? Everything was Bush's responsibility to fix.
Jun 3, 2007 10:16AM PDT

Did you see that shadow? That was a huge fact flying way over your head!

Wink

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The current president's responsibility to fix??? Absolutely
Jun 3, 2007 10:24AM PDT

and in any case when it comes to national security. We just need to get out of the way and let them do their job....or give them a hand and not another hurdle. Wink

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Ah Steven, your forget all those patriots on both sides...
Jun 3, 2007 11:07AM PDT

... of the aisle who voted for a really tall fence... but then voted against paying for it. Wink

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Ah, Grim. I forgot nothing
Jun 3, 2007 11:18AM PDT

My response was generic and not specific to the topic. As well, I don't separate us (you, I, et al) from those in the hallowed halls in D.C. They are included "we" and, in fact, they are supposed to be "we" (or something like that. Happy

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(NT) Quite so Steven, quite so.
Jun 3, 2007 12:49PM PDT
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Ridiculous...
Jun 3, 2007 8:47PM PDT

You really are stretching it.

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Poor people DO travel...
Jun 3, 2007 2:06AM PDT

sometimes to far destinations. And of course so do middle-class people.

What about the failure of authorities to detain illegal aliens who come in by the thousands? Not an issue? No, they NEVER have any diseases.

You are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.