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Cannot watch HDTV on new Sony desktop with two new ATI tuner

Sep 30, 2008 8:59AM PDT

My husband wants HDTV, so when our desktop crashed, he bought a new Sony and two new hybrid tuners, (analog and digital). We were told we needed two to watch one program and record another. Basically it has been a nightmare. Brand new, straight out of the box, my local cable provider (Time Warner) could not find a compatible cable card to install. Two months later, the cable lines to the house all having been replaced twice, after visit 10 by 11 different cable guys, and 5 cable cards I still do not reliably receive HDTV. The Sony technical support department has been unable to fix the problem, I have called at least 30 times. It has gone to the top level of technical support at Sony at least 5 times. I was told it is a known Vista issue, a software conflict and I am not the only one. The desktop cannot even detect the tuners much of the time, and all are "certified for Vista" and sold by Sony. Sony customer support is telling me I cannot return the desktop. Why, I have had it for over a month! I was laboring under the mistaken belief that they could get it to work! I am trying to get Sony to take it back, no luck so far. But I do find others with the same complaint. Could you maybe review hybrid tuners? I do not think mine are compatible with Vista.
the above is about a new Sony VGC-LT29U running Vista Ultimate, a pair of ATI TV Wonder digital cable tuners model A636 "certified for Windows Vista"
networked with a Netgear WNR 3500 router compatible according to the Microsoft website
the cable modem from Time Warner is by Arris

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Keep trying
Sep 30, 2008 9:21AM PDT

Keep trying, and keep asking to speak to someone's supervisor on the phone until you can get someone who can authorize the return of your system.

There should be ample documentation of your calls and problems, meaning it shouldn't be difficult to document the ongoing nature of the problems you've been having.

If it comes to it, don't be afraid to lodge a complaint with the BBB and even take them to small claims court. Odds are Sony won't even bother sending someone to show up and you'll be awarded a default judgment. And if they do show up, I'd say you have a pretty good chance of the judge ordering Sony to refund your money. You will probably have to give them the system back, but it doesn't sound like that would be any great hardship.

Just be sure to throw about the threat of small claims court when speaking to someone in management. Generally, large companies would just as soon avoid any kind of legal proceeding against them.

You can also try taking your story to the local TV station and newspapers who may decide they want to do a story on it. Especially if they have some kind of pro-consumer column or regular segment. That would be something Sony would most certainly not want. They would not want to risk that getting picked up on a national feed and generating a PR nightmare.

While I will caution you to be careful what you say, I will also say that you should complain often and loudly to anyone who will listen about your plight. While odds may be slim, sometimes these things have a way of tapping a vast reservoir of pent up frustration other people in a similar situation have.

But for starters, just keep asking to speak to a person's supervisor if you find yourself getting nowhere with someone. Persistence is often the key, and it's about being such a pain in the ****, it's quicker, easier, and most importantly, CHEAPER, to just give you a refund.

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the A636 tv wonders have always been very finicky
Sep 30, 2008 10:17AM PDT
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2102514,00.asp
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2959&p=5
cable cards have also been problematic.

you can get ab ati tv wonder 650 and/or pinnacle pctv hd pro to receive clear qam channels without needing a cable card, but they won't tune premium channels (like hbo hd).

if purchased with a credit card, you can always call them and challenge the charge. that usually makes the vendor much more willing to compromise.

lastly, if you still want to make what you have work, visit the home theater computer forums at avsforum.com:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26
and read the vista cable thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=771387&highlight=ati+tv+cable+card&page=58
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I have returned the desktop, Sony will not refund our money!
Oct 2, 2008 5:27AM PDT

Basically Sony uses customers as unpaid testers! I do not believe the desktop we purchased from Sony and the tuners are compatible. Theoretically the tuners are hybrids, able to recieve analog and digital channels. The more I look into it, I see no reason to believe the tuners, Vista, the cable cards, cable modem and Time Warner are compatible. I do not think Sony did adequate testing befora marketing the tuners as "certified for Vista". So I will no doubt have to take Sony to small claims court to try and get our money back. But for now, I would like to warn other consumers, Vista Ultimate and a Tv tuner will not necessasrily get you HDTV. Could I request your site review digital TV tuners?

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We don't work for Cnet
Oct 2, 2008 5:40AM PDT

We don't work for Cnet, or at least I don't. I may live near their corporate headquarters, but that's about the closest my affiliation with them gets. Which is why I can say that I generally don't trust Cnet for being competent reviewers of anything. Especially after their GameSpot property had that big shakeup over the Manhunt 2 review. That incident been documented on various other websites, so you're free to look into it on your own if you're curious.

I may read Cnet's reviews of things like cell phones and bluetooth headsets, but only as one of at least 3-4 other review sites. Cnet tends to focus its efforts on Dilbert pointy-haired-boss types, and so articles tend to be big on fluff and light on actual content. Take a look at any random sampling of cell phone reviews you want. About 3/4 of the article will be spent talking about all the wonderful multi-media functions the phone has or doesn't have, and then core functions like how well it performs as a phone, will get maybe one short paragraph towards the end of the article. Which, admittedly, is better than a couple of sites I've come across where nary a mention of how well a cell phone functions as a phone is made.

The point is, you shouldn't rely on Cnet as a primary source of technical information.

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terrible customer service by Sony
Oct 7, 2008 10:11AM PDT

I totally understand that, whose information is reliable is always a issue! My problem basically is my old XP desktop is a PC with a tv, and it always worked great. After four years the dvd drive went out, and we thought buying another was a good idea. I had no idea that trying to get HDTV was going to be so much more difficult. Or that Customer service at Sony would be horrible!

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a636 ATI and a Blue screen of death - cure
Oct 10, 2008 4:51AM PDT

I have aSony vgc-lt29u hooked up to an ATI A636 with a roof top Philips SDV9201K/17, a Channel Master antenna rotor, and I can pick up 7 HDTV channels over the air. After hooking up the TV etc I got 2 blue screens of death, each with a pop. Sony support was worthless, but I guessed that the screen saver was the problem, and it was. It works great now, but if you burn BlueRay discs, you cannot play most of them with the garbage software that comes with the Sony. What works is Cyberlink PowerDVD software. Plays everything. JR