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Can't Defrage

Feb 13, 2004 8:11AM PST

Any help with defraging, goes until it needs to do the files most used and will only get to about 3%. Got ME version loaded, havent had problems before with this.

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Re:Can't Defrage...two part answer due to limitations in this reply software
Feb 13, 2004 8:54AM PST

This not only helps you run Scandisk/Defrag in normal mode easier but it also helps to clean up the excess garbage floating around that these programs don't need to scan or defrag anyhow. You can skip all of this if you want to and just run your scandisk and defrag from safemode if that's all you want.

These may seem long and complicated, but quite a few of these things won't pertain to your personal system and installations...you'll know which ones you don't have to do.

First make sure that you have emptied all TEMP folders (C:\TEMP C:\TMP and C:\Windows\TEMP) You probably don't have the first two so if you don't, it's ok.

Second, open Scandisk and click Advanced and put check marks in the following:

Notify you only if errors are found
Replace Log
Delete Cross-Linked Files
Free File Fragments
Check for Invalid Names,Dates,Times
Check Host first

Put a check in AutoFix Errors (most errors will come from the Temp.Int.Files folder so by checking this, you won't be notified of any errors individually that it finds, but if you clear that cache ahead of time in IE/Properties\Delete files on the Temp.Int.Files area, you can leave this box unchecked so that any other errors it finds will open a window giving you options of what to do with the errors..such as Repair,Delete, or Ignore and Ignore is about the stupidest one I've seen)

Empty the Recycle Bin...no need to Scandisk and Defrag this, especially if it has lots of files in it still that you have removed and forgotten about.

TONI

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Re:Re:Can't Defrage...two part answer due to limitations in this reply software
Feb 13, 2004 9:04AM PST

If you have MSOffice or any of its programs installed, you should (my opinion) also stop FindFast from running completely. It 'hits' your harddrive every couple of minutes searching all drives and partitions uselessly so that it can be 'ready' just in case you decide to open an Office program. This interferes badly with your system speed and also with Scandisk and Defrag. I don't know anybody who keeps this program around for long once they realize how useless it is. Go to Start\Programs\Startup and delete the icons (black) that are there for FindFast. Now go to Control Panel\FindFast and open it up and click Edit, click Delete Indexing for each drive and partition listed in the white box below it. That will stop the entire program from running.

Now close all running programs using CTRL-ALT and the DEL key (press the DEL key only once to get the menu) except Explorer and Systray. (There is a free program at http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s%253D1478%2526a%253D10165,00.asp called EndItAll that will do this for you and is highly recommended...the pcmag link is to version 2 and is more complicated to configure for a newbie than Version 1 listed below)

EnditAll Version 1
http://www.genealogy.net.nz/id12.htm
http://www.compu-docs.com/links.htm
http://www.asktcl.com/free.htm

And also choose NONE for a screensaver until Scandisk and Defrag have been run successfully.

Now run the program...If you have had many File000.chk files building up in the C: root it will remove them giving you much harddrive space that was being used up with those files.

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Re:Re:Re:Can't Defrage...THREE part answer due to limitations in this reply software
Feb 13, 2004 9:06AM PST

Once Scandisk has been run and is error free, open Defrag and click Settings. Take the check mark out of "re-arrange my files" and make sure there is a check mark in "every time I run this program". This will stop Defrag from putting all of the MS programs at the front of the defragged harddrive...which takes alot of time to run if you have many MS programs installed on your system. The program actually gets faster as it does this because it is remembering where the files were when it last ran, but it takes at least 20 times of running Defrag before you would notice any difference in the speed, so it could conceivably take all day and night to defrag a very large harddrive that isn't partitioned, so most people turn off this 'feature'.

Now run Defrag.


If this doesn't work for you and you still can't scandisk or defrag in normal windows mode, reboot the computer, press F8 a couple of times after the first bootscreen leaves, and choose Safemode from the menu. Now run scandisk and defrag from safemode instead.

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Re:Re:Re:Re:Can't Defrage...THREE part answer due to limitations in this reply software
Mar 20, 2004 9:04PM PST

I did it your way Toni and it worked. So, am I to understand ms program files don't have to be defraged?
Is this still a good defrag?
thanks for the help.
robb

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'am I to understand ms program files don't have to be defraged?'
Mar 20, 2004 9:43PM PST

I can't find anything in Toni's post that indicates that defrag doesn't or shouldn't defrag ms program files. Defrag has a few options, some of them hidden, but none explicitely refers to exe and com files, let alone their maker.

The 'optimizing' defrag will try to place programs and files belonging to them (like dll's) next to each other. This might mean a small performance boost. But it's doubtful the maintainance of applog to do so doesn't offset the advantages in the long run.

Also note that when a file is defragged, it stays defragged for ever when not updated or rewritten. Only new files can consist of several non-contiguous parts. Of course, free space will be non-contiguous after deleting a file, but that doesn't really matter.

All in all, defrag isn't so very important. I don't think there's any reason to spend money for it, when MS includes a free program you run twice a year. Maybe 'file only' defrag (/u switch) a few minutes once a month for the finishing touch, if you create a lot of files.


Kees

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Re:Re:Can't Defrage...two part answer due to limitations in
Aug 29, 2004 9:11AM PDT

I had a Spyware prgramme that deleted FindFast.exe I clicked for it do so because I presumed that it was a virus.Now my machine keeps looking for it on start up. Does anyone know where I can stop it from doing this?

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Re:Re:Can't Defrage...two part answer due to limitations in
Aug 29, 2004 10:21AM PDT

Knowing your Operating System would get better response. If using Windows XP try doing a System File Check (SFC) that will check for missing or corrupt system files. Check Help or do a Google Search for the procedure.

Best of luck!

Glenn

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Re:Can't Defrage
Mar 11, 2004 9:52AM PST

You did not give enough information about the Hard Drive you are using. Microsofts Defrag is a very poor choice. I suggest that you go to executivesoftware.com and download the Pro or Home version of Diskkeeper. They will give you a free trial. If you decide to buy it I think it is $29.00. This will defrag 100% of your Hard Drive. Hard drives of 100Mhz or less speed use 24bits per sector. Hard Drives of 133MHZ or faster use 48 bits per sector. Microsofts Defrag cannot be used on the 133MHZ or faster drives because it will change your drive to 24 bits per sector and slow it down considerably. Another answer is Symantec's System Works 2004 Professional. It contains Speed Disk which will work with all drives and is recommended by Maxtor. However, it is slower doing defragmenting than Diskeeper.
Hpjohn

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Please explain: 'drives of 100Mhz or less speed use 24bits per sector. Hard Drives of 133MHZ or faster use 48 bits per sector. '
Mar 20, 2004 9:32PM PST

I don't understand Mhz's of drives, nor bits of sectord (in FAT32, used by ME). And do you mean 'drive' or 'partition'?

Do you have quantitative data on the performance loss caused by MS Defrag on such a mysterious drive?

Kees

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Re: Please explain: 'drives of 100Mhz or less speed use 24bi
Aug 30, 2004 12:00AM PDT
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Re:Can't Defrage
Aug 29, 2004 5:55PM PDT

Thanks both for your suggestions. I am running Windows 98 by the way.I'll get on to it!