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Can not install OS

I'm at my wits end. I have this computer that I built about 3 years ago and it gets used maybe a few hours a week. About 5 days ago I was online and it just locked up so I had to manually shut it down. When I tried to boot up again, I got a warning that I needed to run the chkdsk. So I did and it ran for about 3 hours and then finally said it ran out of disk space which I can't believe because the HD had about 240GB free space on it. I've tested and even replaced the PS, memory and even disconnected the 2nd CD and the floppy still with no luck. So I decided to install a new HD. I installed XP Home and it ran great until I had to reboot after installing the MB chipset drivers. Then I started getting the Delayed Write error and locking up. I then tried to reformat and now it tells me the HD is damaged just like the old one.

Ok, has anyone had this happen to them and how did you finally get the computer to work again? I've been building computers for about 25 years now and this one is just racking my brain.

System Info:
Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 ver. 1
Kingston 1GB memory
WD 320GB HD
Thermaltake PSU
XP Home SP2

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Clarification Request
There are few known causes of this.

In reply to: Can not install OS

Over the years I've found this to be caused by bad ide cables, old noisy power supplies, BAD CAPS, incorrect BIOS settings (try defaults) and not much else.
Bob

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Re

In reply to: There are few known causes of this.

I forgot to mention that these are SATA HD's but then I guess they could go bad also. The Bios settings are set to what
it was shipped so I guess it would be default. The only thing I changed in the Bios was the boot order. All the timing and
voltage settings for the memory were already good so I didn't have to change them.

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XP and SATA. Good clue.

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Given the XP SATA problems, please reveal to the forum how you gave XP SATA support. Also, we know that such problems exist in XP and XP SP1. Let's how the install CD is XP SP2 or later.
Bob

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Re:SATA

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Bob, I do not understand your XP SATA support question but if you're asking how I got it to work, I just installed the SATA hard drives. The XP Home CD comes with the SP2 version. Before the computer crashed, I was running SP3 but that was updated through MS.

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It's an old issue.

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If the BIOS defaults to IDE emulation then you didn't have to do a thing. But details are a little slim so I asked.

Try this. Look at the drive and see if it has a jumper to pull the SATA speed back to SATA 1.x speeds. Some machines corrupt with the high speed.
Bob

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SATA Jumpers

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Sorry it took me so long to reply, I just finished building a new box and installed everything last night.

As for the SATA HD's Jumpers, there are none set as it comes from the factory but it does say this about the jumpers you can set.

Jumpers 1 & 2 Enable SSC (Spread Spectrum Clocking)
Jumpers 5 & 6 Enable SATA 150MB/s only operation

If I'm reading that correctly, jumping 5&6 would cut the speed in half from the 3GB the drive is at default.
The thing is the computer worked flawlessly for over 3 years at the 3GB setting.

What's your take on this?

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"It worked before."

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I understand what you wrote but if it's failing now we can use tricks folk have learned to pull it back into operation without changing motherboards, power supplies or such.
Bob

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tricked computer

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So are you saying that I should try the 5&6 jumper and see if that works?

Something else that just hit me was when I was trying to install some drivers when I first installed the OS on the 'new' HD from a CD that I made with all the updated drivers, it would read the contents of the CD but would not install any of them saying that the files were corrupt. I'll also see if I have another IDE ribbon
and exchange it for the one that's in there. I know you suggested that in the beginning but it didn't cross
my mind because we were talking HD's. Could a bad IDE cable going to a CD/DVD device cause the HD's
to go bad? I'm sorry that I didn't think of it before, I guess too many other things running through my mind.

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Always your choice.

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I'll share my usual workarounds and hope you can choose to try or dismiss such. As to the IDE cables, yes, such things can cause bad reads.
Bob

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Trying suggestions

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Ok Bob, I found both a new cable for the CD and also the Floppy just in case. I'll install those first before trying the jumper on the HD. If the new cables don't work, then I'll try the jumper.

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Tried but failed

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I changed the IDE ribbon and then started the XP setup. First thing I did was to delete all partitions
and then made a new partition to install XP. Tried to format NTSF in the new partition and it said it could not format because the disk is damaged. I then jumped pins 5&6 on the HD to slow it down and did the same as before in setup and still it says the disk is damaged. I do have another new HD but am afraid that it may ruin that one also.

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Tried 2 more

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Well, I finally decided to try and install XP on a brand new HD and guess what, it also failed
to format saying that the disk was damaged. So there must be something else wrong with the
computer like the MB or CPU or something. I think it may be time to tear this one down.

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You looked ant the jumpers BUT ...

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you seem to have missed -
"If the BIOS defaults to IDE emulation then you didn't have to do a thing. But details are a little slim so I asked."

Bob noted that because Windows XP does not provide native SATA drivers. Either the BIOS has to be set to emulate IDE for the SATA drives OR you, the OS installer, must provide the drivers (usually on a floppy) during the installation of the OS when the installation screen prompts you to press F6 and provide drivers for the storage media.

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Clarification Request
Answer Unknown

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The answer to my problems was never found although much help was given. I built a new computer and used the
same hard drives that were in the old computer and was able to format and install XP. There were no problems with
the hard drives at all so the problem must be in the MB or CPU. I even used the same cables also.

I just wanted to let everyone know what the outcome was and say Thank you to those of you who helped out.

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Bad caps

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This is know issue for this mainboard. The disk controller gives errors which you can see under "event viewer". Firstly Intel SATA ports give up so temporary the GSATA ports can be used.

The cause: Look for bad caps around CPU. They will be vented open. Just replace all large caps even if they do not look bad and you good to go.
Not all problems can be solved by software Wink

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Re: Bad caps

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It's funny that you post this now, I just happened to install the board and was trying to figure out what was wrong. It may
take a while for me to change out the caps but I'll try it out and let you know. Thanks for the input.

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Bad caps

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Bad caps

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Thanks, I'll check everything out.

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