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Can anyone here explain..."Pocahontas"

I realize there aren't many Native Americans and their voting block should be insignificant in a Federal Election...but come on...Presidential candidate? name calling?...there was a time when even The Donald would say..."I'm not calling her Pocahontas...I would never call her Pocahontas"

When I asked if he had been chided by any Republicans for his Twitter feud with Elizabeth Warren, he replied, “You mean Pocahontas?” So much for reining it in.

I suppose his next "move" will be deny he said it OR refuse to respond to questions about what he said.

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what's wrong with it?

In reply to: Can anyone here explain..."Pocahontas"

Chief's daughter, had the hots for white guys, took off to England with one.

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RE: what's wrong with it?

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HER name is Elizabeth...not Pocahontas

of course many others don't have Lyin' in front of their name on their birth certificate.

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(NT) It

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I mean, it's just another way of saying

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"You're no Jack Kennedy". (you can look that one up)

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She is NOT ALONE?

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Is Elizabeth Warren Native American or What?

The Democratic Senate candidate can't back up family lore that she is part Indian -- but neither is there any evidence that she benefited professionally from these stories.

Many prominent figures in American life learn, once the eye of the national press alights on them, that they are not the people who they always thought -- or said -- they were. Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, for example, grew up thinking she came from a Catholic Czech family. It was not until she joined the U.S. Cabinet that she learned her parents -- not her great-great-great-grandmother, but her own parents -- were Jewish refugees who had converted and misled her about her ancestry after losing their families in the Holocaust. "This was obviously a major surprise to me. I have never been told this," she said in 1997, after the Washington Post broke the news. "The only thing I have to go by is what my mother and father told me, how I was brought up," she said.

Public scrutiny allowed New Mexico Gov. Susanna Martinez to close off a potentially damaging story-line when it was discovered that a Mexican grandfather suspected of having been an undocumented immigrant was in fact a lawfully admitted 1918 entrant who obtained U.S. citizenship in 1942. Questions had been raised about him after news reports revealed he was marked AL for "alien" on the 1930 Census, and people jumped to conclusions that this meant he was an "illegal alien" -- illustrating just how much trouble incomplete genealogical research can cause for political actors.

But sometimes genealogy also confirms family stories. Michelle Obama in 2009 learned a great deal more about the slave ancestors she always knew she must have had, and Smolenyak and The New York Times were able to "substantiate what Mrs. Obama has called longstanding family rumors about a white forebear."
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Actually, there IS prove...Breitbart dug it up

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/04/17/elizabeth-warren-repeats-her-false-claims-of-native-american-ancestry-in-new-book/

She benefited from books that she not only WROTE, but also contributed to in a couple of cookbooks claiming they were from her 'heritage' but later were found to be copies of recipes from a previous cookbook by another author. People who contribute to a published book get paid for those contributions.

There has been well documented proof that she has NO ancestry as a Native American, but she personally listed that on her marriage certificate, and listed it at various colleges she attended and also taught at and none of them ever asked for proof and she didn't offer any up. Although the colleges state that 'it wasn't a factor in hiring her', even sensible people have to wonder at why they would list it without proof and you also have to wonder what she was telling her students in her classes about her 'background' since she is such a far left radical since so many of that 'type' taught their students their radical beliefs for years. Obviously, you will state that there 'is no proof' of my 'suspicions' or that it's 'speculation' because that's what liberals do all the time, but my suspicions would have strong merit for believing them to be true because of past proof of radical liberals as professors because it's already been well documented.
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RE: Actually, there IS prove

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Actually, there IS proof...... selling a "cook book"?

The claim was

The Democratic Senate candidate can't back up family lore that she is part Indian -- but neither is there any evidence that she benefited professionally from these stories.

Sell a cook book...benefit FINANCIALLY...

Benefit PROFESSIONALLY if you are a chef/cook that has written a cook book.

You don't benefit PROFESSIONALLY as a lawyer, politician from a writing a cook book....

Have you read ALL of my responses in your "Of all of his lies, THIS is Obama's worst" This is probably the WORST LIE Obama has EVER given....it's bad enough that he lied to Americans he leads but he lied to the ENTIRE ******* world thread?

I didn't notice any response from you. Not unexpected though....You and TheRUMP are 2 peas from the same pod.

Throw insults out there then divert and deflect, no defending...just diverting and deflecting.

You admire a Judge that has balls....Remember that claim....

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Again, I DID respond to what you posted

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because the topic is "Pocahontas" and I provided the proof you asked for regarding if she made any money regarding her 'ancestry' claims. She DID by writing about it in her OWN book, or did you IGNORE that part of the article that Breitbart dug up? SHE didn't write the cookbooks, she CONTRIBUTED 'family' recipes without looking ahead of time to see if she was actually PLAGERIZING them, and as a contributor, she would have received money from either the sale of the books or as a fee from the author who collected the recipes.

As someone who has benefitted via money or her work as a professor in her colleges that she worked at where they never checked her credentials of claiming she had 'Native American blood' or asked for proof of her claim, she had an absolute responsibility to know ahead of time if her claims were correct.

Trump never benefitted financially from his incorrect statement about his ancestry, so even if he got wrong with a statement made, she DID. Hell, JP, I've been told my whole life that although my mother was full Italian from Sicilian decent, my father always said he was French Canadian and German. Without documentation regarding Ellis Island records back in those days, I have no way to prove it via a DNA test because both he and his only twin brother are both dead now, I have no clue and would never put it in a book as fact like Warren did and make money off that 'assumption'. If you go back far enough, that 'true' Italian blood claim from my mother doesn't amount to much because I'm pretty sure that far back there would be more European or other blood in their lines. I actually tried to look up old records and cemetery information of my maternal grandmother because of a family inheritance a few years ago from family I didn't even know about my entire life (and met over the phone and emails a cousin I never knew existed including a number of other ones all living the Sacramento, CA area) but those records are only available if I pay ahead of time for a researcher from someone in the area where my maternal grandmother was born and raised before she came to America via boot records I located from Ellis Island. I didn't pay for it at the time because I only had to prove she was my grandmother for the attorneys...but I'm curious enough to do it soon.

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RE:Again, I DID respond to what you posted

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it's a document it could have been doctored/edited?

That was your response?

You couldn't find a document that could have been doctored/edited to prove your wild claim?

What a feeble defense of YOUR wild claim.

WORST LIE EVER? substantially correct AND mostly true.
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RE:Again, I DID respond to what you posted

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I was asking about you NOT responding to the thread YOU started about Obama and what you consider his WORST LIE.


"Sen. Obama's family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II — especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton. "Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically."

But even with this error in locations, Obama's statement was substantially correct in that he had an uncle — albeit a great uncle — who served with troops who helped to liberate the Ohrdruf concentration/work camp and saw, firsthand, the horrors of the Holocaust. We rate the statement Mostly True.

Of all of his lies, THIS is Obama's worst

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WHERE in THIS thread did you ask that question?

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IF you want a question answered in another thread no matter WHO posted, then you should have asked it THERE and NOT in YOUR thread about Pocahontas, JP....has your ALZ kicked in again?

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RE: then you should have asked it THERE

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I did...

RE: and divert and deflect as usual without bothering to res May 28, 2016 7:20 PM PDT

AND I gave you a shout out to the post the next day...in the same thread...

YO!!!Toni H....May 29, 2016 1:11 PM PDT

YOUR Obamas WORST LIE thread ..the one started by you...you do know how to find that thread don't you?

There aren't many posts in that thread...a short read...

I even went to the thread we are now in to try and get your attention...

IF you believe I have ALZ...Don't waste your keystrokes telling me...I'll just forget it anyway.

You can't say you mis-spoke...and neither can TheRUMP...Get a room?

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RE:"You're no Jack Kennedy"

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Was there a "racial/ethnic" connection to Jack Kennedy?

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answer...since you may not know

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It came out of a vice-presidential debate when one candidate compared his experience to that of John Kennedy (who was sometimes called Jack) when he was first elected. His opponent's mocking reply was that he was no Jack Kennedy. "Mocking" is the operative word in this case and I suspect the same is true of Trump's reference of Warren to Pocahontas. I'm sure you've heard Albert Einstein's name used in mockery of a person as well. It's a shallow posture to take in an argument, IMO, but this is politics where shallowness is seems to rule over intellectual discussion.

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So, the short answer to my questions IS

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NO.

THAT'S the part that makes the Donalds use of "Pocahontas" offensive.

AND I knew about the use of "You're no jack Kennedy" and knew what that they were NOT referring to "Racial/ethnicity".

You see shallowness, others see something offensive.

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Are you saying that you're the one offended?

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I'd check with the object(s) of Trump's remark first. After that, I'd consider whether or not the person "offended" had a legitimate complaint. I strongly believe that expression of indignation can be faked if the climate is right for it to be used to gain an advantage.

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Additionally and about the racial/ethnic component

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I must honestly say I didn't see where you might be going with that but "No" would be my answer to either scenario. There is nothing that, IMO, should be considered as racial or ethnic. That Pocahontas was said to be of other ancestry than the European immigrants means nothing. My mention of someone being jokingly referred to as "Einstein" after doing something stupid is not to be construed with his German or Jewish heritage but I can see someone wanting to stretch it in that direction.

Look at what we've done by searching for reasons to be offended where none exist or were never intended. We've learned how to thicken or thin our skin at will depending on what it will get for us. It's all fraud. Have you been injured in an accident?...or better yet, had your feelings hurt? Can you no longer sleep or go to work because of some remark you took personally? Our lawyers are standing by waiting for your call.

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RE:Look at what we've done by searching for reasons

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Look at what we've done by searching for reasons to be offended

You actually think people have to "search" for reasons to be offended with TheRUMP?
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How about

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"It's not rocket science" or "It's not brain surgery"? Should people in those fields be offended, too? JP goes as far left as Sanders and HC and BO and Warren types (including a few of our Democrat liberals in Congress and others like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton, among the many with their 'racist' attacks when it comes to PC 'training/brainwashing' tactics anymore, not to mention the Dem liberals who support "Black Lives Matter" crap including BO, HC, Sanders, and O'Malley).

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RE:"It's not rocket science" or "It's not brain surgery"

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You're no Stephen Hawking, but you could be "the lowest common denominator".

Physicist Stephen Hawking baffled by Donald Trump's popularity

Hawking tells ITV's "Good Morning Britain" show that he has no explanation for the success of the presumptive Republican Party presidential nominee.

In a prerecorded interview set to air Tuesday, Hawking says Trump "is a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator."

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"lowest common denominator"

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And that would be the 'little' people of this country who have been ignored by the elites until they need their votes and then pander to them....and if someone as intelligent as Hawking would say HE doesn't understand it, well there you have it.

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RE:"lowest common denominator"

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RE: if someone as intelligent as Hawking

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RE: not to be construed with his German or Jewish heritage b

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not to be construed with his German or Jewish heritage but I can see someone wanting to stretch it in that direction.

Are you and James of "like minds"?

What James thinks when he hears the term "Pocahontas".

Chief's daughter, had the hots for white guys, took off to England with one.

Which 1,2 or 3 of those 3 points do you think applies to Elizabeth Warren?
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Neither of your questions deserves my answer.

I've not followed the story in the press. All I know of it is right here and, IMO, it's a waste of time and offers no benefit to anyone looking at the candidates in an honest and serious fashion.

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Pocahontas (you are not!)

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It's been already properly pointed out that the humor in here is the same as when somebody being called "Einstein" but it has not been explained why. When somebody claiming to be smart does something stupid others may call that person "Einstein" obviously implying "Einstein you are not". Same here. Due to obvious reasons it is humorous to call Warren "Pocahontas" obviously implying "Pocahontas you are not".

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