Can anyone explain the logic?

DJT has withdrawn from the nuclear deal made with Iran.

Now DJT is saying that Iran is "playing with fire" by not abiding to the terms of the nuclear deal.

Iran is not abiding by an agreement that America wanted no part of?

Perhaps America should have stayed involved in the nuclear deal then their complaints would have more weight?

Especially with the countries that are still signatory to the nuclear deal.

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As the world turns

The Don does not like the direction the world is turning.

He wants to change that direction with tariffs, sanctions and new deals.

He does not give a hoot about what other leaders think.

My way or the highway?

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It makes sense

In Trump's universe - sort of a "bizzaro world" ( Superman comics term ) where
everyone who does not understand his "logic" is either not as "smart" as he is or actively against him. You know, like intellectuals who actually use science and deductive reasoning to solve problems. His contempt of experts in various fields is palpable - that is, unless they back his agenda, then they are "true patriots" and deserving of favour. But you already knew that!

Cheers! Enjoy the holiday + weekend if you can - I'm going to stay at home, away from the possibly inebriated vehicular operators and get tipsy myself, quietly, on the sofa... :^)

Rick "( there really is an accelerating mistrust of expertise, like academics and those who used to be called "eggheads" )

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RE:quietly, on the sofa
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Thanks, I needed that!

It reminds me of Maxwell Smart's motorized desk in the movie "The Nude Bomb" ( I think it was that flick). Anyway, great clip!

My first "vehicle" was a go-cart my mother got for me when I was around fourteen and a few of my pals had mini-bikes and some lucky souls had smallish motocross-type rigs. She hated the thought of me dying or breaking an arm or leg on two wheels and figured if I _must_ have a gas powered conveyance four wheels were much safer! (She was right, as usual!). About a year later I purchased a mini-bike frame and swapped the engine back and forth between the two. She hated that but grudgingly allowed me to ride - getting a helmet eased her fears if only a little. A year later still and I got my first "real motorcycle" - a 1966 Hodaka Ace 90 which was thoroughly used and needed work but my pride and joy till I got a road bike - a 1972 Honda 350 twin that was my 'ride' in high school and for years afterward. Tricked her out with custom headers and heavy-duty clutch springs and plates and once "bested" a far newer Yamaha 400 two stroke in a street race drag : That machine by all rights should have left me in the dust ( Its rider didn't know what he was doing, I reckon!). That was the sweetest victory I ever knew on two wheels - though thinking back on it it was perhaps "rash". And I never told Mom about it - she would have probably disowned me on the spot !

Rick " here comes that rice-burner " Jones :^) ( I'm not racist, that's what Harley guys call all Japanese motorcycles! )

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I thought rash is what you got when the ride

came to an end.

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only if ya crash

I've actually sustained more injuries from riding my bicycle and crashing than I ever managed on a motorcycle. The guys at my local ice-house even nicknamed me Road Rash Rick for a while. Elbows, knees and palms all got repeatedly scarred - I guess that's what happens when one attempts to ride home after a few too many beers! (I finally learned to _not_ get so drunk away from home - but that's another story, one the AA guys got to hear when I "shared" at meetings). My band-aid bills got pretty high for a while there - those 100 packs only go so far...

Rick "RRR" Jones

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(NT) "100 packs"
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(NT) Good one!
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Lots of dogs here, in the rurals.

Every fifth of July and second of January we see a scared dog or two, looking for home after running away in panic the night before.
Couple of modern additions to that.
A local vet has a treatment (tranquilizer?) or something to prep the dog for fireworks.
Comes now my regular e-mail from VA healthcare. This notice, in full:
"A Few Tips for Fourth of July Celebrations.
"Fourth of July brings to mind the smell of burgers and hot dogs on the grill and celebratory fireworks in the night sky, but for some Veterans, typical Independence Day celebrations trigger uneasiness and discomfort. We’ve gathered a few pointers to help make this 4th of July enjoyable for all — especially those who have served our great Nation."

"Uneasiness and discomfort" is a euphemism for violent outbursts on the part of some.
Ah, yes. I love the smell of burning charcoal in the morning.

I just noticed I'm capitalized- "Veteran".
And don't you forget it.

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Thanks for your service

I recall you mentioning some anecdotes from your military 'time' here in the past. Some were quite humorous - if perhaps "dark humor" (which is the among the best kind, methinks!).

A friend served over two years in the Vietnam "conflict" and related once a conversation he had with a VA shrink - she asked why he had some issues with life and he replied " I've killed people - have you? " He said she did not exactly know what to say for around ten seconds and then changed tack in questioning him. He does ok now, but it took him years to adjust to civilian life, gradually.


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Many folks who served in a combat zone returned with that.

I have it and it took me years to recognize what it was.

I just live with it and moved on.

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Glad you could do so -

And thanks for your service also. I was a few years too young to have been called up for Vietnam. From folks I've known and know now I suppose I'm lucky in that regard. My mother fretted about it as it seemed perhaps, in 1970 when we came back to Texas from overseas, the war would go on for quite some time. I later considered the Air Force in my twenties as I wanted to fly but circumstances like my vision nixed that idea. My father joined the Marines in his youth and reflected that it did him some good but he chose not to make it a career. He went into geophysical (oil) exploration field, and then into computer programming. Our family got to live in Tripoli and then London so I'm glad we got to see a bit of the world growing up - gives one "perspective" so-to-speak.



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Good comments from you and Richard.

Thanks for sharing. Some of my thoughts, from a different perspective:

Many times I'm thanked for my service. For the record, y'all are welcome. At that time I don't bother to say I wouldn't serve now that I'm a Christian*. (Most recently, by a bus driver whose line ends at the VA Hospital. I guess he says it every trip. Nice guy.) It would be counterproductive, and taken as tactless although it's a simple statement of fact.

PTSD: Suffered by some female vets due to rapes et al. while on duty. How do I know? News items and features pf course, and the recent installation of signs in the waiting rooms offering a hot line. Didn't many of these women join in order to fight terrorism? Now they're terrorized by sexual assault from fellow soldiers. Or, so say they and the DoD.

When I meet a vet at the door I say I was in during 'Nam but never in country. I can offer some particular insight into the Bible but without trying to take credit for something I didn't experience. I can also say I'm a partially disabled vet, non-combat. Had some good conversations that way.
My anecdotes are mostly humorous because of the above. See Steve McQueen's Soldier in the Rain. IMO the best depiction of the peacetume military, which is what I mostly experienced.

"What if everyone was a Jehovah's Witness?" That's exactly what we're waiting for, firmly promised. Ps 37:28,29.
No more PTSD, either. Rev 21:4.

* James, my research shows that you've already been shown the Bible's view of warfare for Christians. Keep your opinions to yourself.

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Well, I dare say

the world would be a far better place if everyone had the same religion - perhaps even irrespective of _which_ religion it was, all things considered. Though if we were all Wiccans or something like that it would no doubt take away the "cachet" of belonging to a 'fringe' group! Laugh

That may sound too science-fiction-ey for a lot of people, and perhaps they would be right. And thinking on it further, it could cause a disconnect with folks' ethnic and cultural identity, which would be quite distressing. I think most people just want to be left alone to do their own "thing" - whatever that might be - and have their traditions and taboos, etc. respected. I'd imagine in an ideal world that would be rather easy - but history shows humans are messy, and rarely follow their high aspirations without forcing some to "comply", sometimes brutally, other times almost passive-aggressively. Shrug. I don't have the answers, but it does seem we are far better off than the middle ages both religiously (tolerance of the other) and generally (quality of life and expectations of betterment of same for our kids and _their_ kids, continue to infinity).

Rick " left-tennant Obvious strikes again " Jones

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Comparative religion.
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Heck, I've got crevasses spanning continents! I never intimated I was a scholar, biblical or otherwise!

Perhaps in my life I should have paid more attention in school and out of it - though with all the knowledge in the world - and readily accessible thru the 'Net now (for the price of an ISP subscription and a cheapie computer) - one has to more than ever specialize - and though maybe it's to my detriment I focus more on art, physics, astronomy and related fields and spend way less time on philosophy and theology. So shoot me.

Thanks for the links - I've just skimmed them a bit but will study
them closer when time permits.

What I was trying to perhaps too subtly put forth is my perception that what many people _don't_ like about Witnesses is their proselytizing - well, maybe that's too strong a word, being rather a loaded one. How about "spreading the good word rather too stridently" ? Maybe the German language has an appropriate term, like schadenfreude encompasses a whole sentence of meaning in a single though tad long word? :^) < that's me smiling ruefully.

The same goes for any religion that however gently rebukes the "unbeliever" or the supposed godless pagan or what-have-you term for the 'competition'.

I know you've had some rather heated exchanges with certain members of this forum regarding just that issue and others concerning your faith - I'm _not_ trying to rile you up, just making an observation, so please take it in my intended purpose, if you will.

Maybe what I'm also saying is no one likes a "smart aleck" - I should know, IRL and online I've been accused (rightly!) of being a know-it-all wannabee and/or having a "big mouth". Such is life, I suppose - what I think is lively conversation and sharing my knowledge through anecdotes and what I hope is playful banter is instead sometimes regarded as twaddle at best and highly irritating at worst. I've actually "toned down" such but still get similar remarks on occasion. :^|

So, for what it's worth I wish you and yours a happy end-of- holiday-weekend !


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I get your points. FWIW they're not new to us.

If I said you had gaps in your knowledge of neurosurgery you would likely agree, without feeling insulted. That is something anyone could determine by implication, by asking if you were a surgeon. But if I claimed to know that because of my own demonstrated knowledge, I'd be lying.

Several times I've given you insights into the Bible which you've recognized. That, at least, implies that I do have some knowledge in that field. After 30 years of study, I should have. That said, I'm quick to make the statement attributed to Isaac Newton, D.D.
"I stand on the shoulders of giants"- those responsible for the website.
Again, pointing out a gap in knowledge is not a moral judgment.

"perhaps even irrespective of _which_ religion it was, all things considered" If you look over the FAQs I think you'll find that not to be the case. One obvious example: A famous, proselytizing religion uses C4-filled vests to spread its doctrine. We do not.
Others in mainstream Christendom hire out their clergy as military Chaplains to encourage 'their' troops to kill 'the other' troops- of the same faith. We do not.

There are some other points which I can address if you're interested. Unless we get blocked for off-topic. Happy In the meantime:

First, proselytizing is a COMMAND to Christians from the one we all acknowledge as head of the religion. Mt 28:19,20. It's a sentence in the imperative, not the declarative. 'Go; preach.' The result is to be as stated at Mt 24:13. Every nominally Christian denomination has that command in its Bible. (Doing it door-to-door is at Acts 20:20 and several other places. As you already know, we also use newer methods unavailable to Paul inter alii. He had a smartphone but batteries hadn't been invented.) All professed Christians are ordained ministers, per the Bible record. No mainstream seminary required. Acts 4:13.
Where are the Anglican, Catholic, Baptist preachers? Not the ones with the titles, but the ones doing the work?

Second, Jesus was opposed "by the Jews", it's often said. When reading those passages I often substitute the equivalent "by the mainstream religious leaders of his day". And, due to the operation of the Roman colonial systen, it's also correct to say "by the goverments of his day". Brings it down to our day.

You make some good points, all of which need addressing. I can do that here, good Lee willin' and the crick don't rise. Or,
You can go over the links I gave you, BIBLE IN HAND. Or,
You can answer your door next Saturday.
Fourth and lastly, the mainstream, non-fringe response is to do none of the above. Just so you know.

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Thank you - or as

said by many an anglophile : Ta Muchly! (yes, the auto-correct is screaming at me, but that's the phrase/idiom!).

What you note is of course true. And thirty plus yrs. is considerable, far beyond the 10,000 hours of study (on average - though not a mean nor median time) I've seen bandied about as the minimum for most fields of endeavour both vocationally and otherwise needed to attain a 'novice' rating on a subject of interest. I was not insulted or affronted by your observation of gaps - well, perhaps if we had been face-toface you *might* (translation -yeah, probably!) have seen my pulse notch up a few cycles per minute ! (though not much, hopefully!). The neuroscience example is odd or perhaps just coincidentally serendipitous as just recently I've read a 'pop-sci' though very well researched and written (IMO) book on that field - "The Other Brain"by R. Douglas Fields which has a fascinating eye on glia and their functions and also gives a nice brief(ish) pithy summary of brain science history 'to boot'. Anyway, it's something like metallurgy for me - I know "enough about _that_ {metallurgy} to get into trouble" (!) :^) Steel making and forging, silver-smithing, bronze-smithing, brass, copper, any-metal-is-thing, is almost (though not quite) as interesting to me as astronomy - the history of which is, to me, equally fascinating.

I consider you a mentor in things religious and tangentially and feel you have a cosmopolitan perspective on politics - which is v. refreshing, may I add! Sometimes it's hard to know, though, that my perhaps blindered view is but a tiny segment of the larger reality! Laugh

In other words I value your patient discussion of your faith and see many, many things in all my own 'studies' (if you can dignify them with that word!) that concur with the Witness 'angle' (I love that film noir word!) or version of reading of what Christianity actually entails for the believer, the scholar, the 'other' religions - which as you note some have been shoehorned into functioning as wordly missives or permission to commit mass murders most foul and heinous. So, all things considered, no, I would not exactly rush to join a caliphate-based world faith - though arguably if that was the only choice, after a while there would only be an "underground" of 'competing' religions, mayhap akin to what I understand existed for the Christ followers in some regions of the ancient world before the 3rd century A.D. and far later in some remote(er) areas of our precious planet. Phew, again my fingers are tired - one of these decades I'll maybe learn to touch-type. Maybe. :^)

Around my current and former area of sprawling greater Houston we have "Baptists On Bicycles" spreading _their_ good word, plus sometimes two or more Catholics (usually on foot though sometimes also astride self-powered two wheelers!), almost always Hispanic, sometimes bilingual, sometimes not - who mostly "give up" on me as soon as they see I'm Caucasian but nonetheless leave me with useful literature about their chosen or local places of worship. The longest "getting a talking to" once happened many years ago when I was about thirty or thirty five yrs. of chronological age and answered the door without first checking who it was through the door viewer (peephole lens) and just happened to be smashed on scotch about ten in the morning on a Saturday, obviously so and actually holding a "on the rocks" amber liquid in a nice crystal square "short glass" I reserved for such 'libation'. I agreed with the admonitions and cheerfully invited the twin Baptists inside - they declined (politely I might add) and switched to my glaring next-door neighbor who had opened his door to see what was "going on". I guess. And maybe they both felt their "message" had gotten through - which it did I suppose as the 'scene' is still fresh in my memory. And sometimes I really wonder what my life would have become had I taken them up on their offer of joining their Church. I was raised a Methodist by my Dad's mother though that kind-of-sorta faded away when I lost contact with her around the time I was 24 or so onwards. From what I've heard Methodists and Baptists are "close-ish" though not identical on some points. Shrug - perhaps I'd be living in Wales or something? Not a bad place to be, I reckon - heck, I'd absolutely love to retire on the Isle of Man and catch the street TT's there often. Mebbe even have my very own Cafe Racer - like a hot 750 or maybe liter bike, though a nice 600 would probably be quite enough HP to kill me. Ha! That would be a good way to go, too, if it was "quick"-like and final. Just after I learn I have about 6 hours to live, maybe... :^)

Rick " I'd like to crash at 165 MPH - yep, that should do it! " Jones

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The guy who created Tap Out gymwear

wrapped his new Porsche around a tree.
He's dead BTW. Guess he was having fun.

We're around, as outlined above, any time you have more questions. Or not.

Something to ponder. In times when so many are saying. "Please, God ...", do you really need a god who merely makes you feel comfortable? Certainly Jesus was not that god in his day.
Lu 19:1-10 has an example. As always there are bits of insight to be had, but the main point is plain without them.
A contrast is at Mark 10:17 ff.
Both stories BTW are history, not parables.

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Trevor Heitmann at 18 years old in 2018.

Trevor Heitmann made a small fortune in video gaming gambling which allowed him to buy a "2015 British McLaren 650S sports car that would have cost $250,000 or more.

The McLaren, with Heitmann behind the wheel, slammed head-on into a Hyundai SUV and both vehicles burst into flames. Those who died in the SUV were tentatively identified by the county Medical Examiner’s Office as a 43-year-old San Diego woman and her 12-year-old daughter."

Trevor Heitmann was “At the time of the crash, he could have been going over 100 mph,” and going the wrong way on California I-805.

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I did not want to serve.

I was 18 yrs old with the draft staring me in the face.
The navy wanted to send me to their nuke school until they found out I was partially color blind.

So I joined the air force.
After some training I got shipped over to Nam.

I returned with 3 things.
1. I was still alive.
2. a rather large scar.
3. a sensitivity to noise.

The noise thing has gotten worse as I've aged.

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#3 is probably not organic.
Sorry for your problem.
Therapy? Meds?
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For the record, I volunteered out of HS.

I was at loose ends after graduation and the Navy IMO promised better education. MOS, for you Army guys. Worked out. Electronics, plus my slight disability that gets me all but free medical care now. Do I recognize the irony? You bet!

Side note. I was stationed at Long Beach Naval Station, home port of the Maddox and the Turner Joy. (Look 'em up, if you don't recall.) Saw them when they rotated back, with the NV gunboat silhouettes on the bows. I was SO proud ...
Little did we know ...

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If Trump's a draft dodger, then so am I

After floundering directionless in college trying to hold onto my student deferment, it finally caught up to me that I was doomed. I already had HS friends coming home in body bags and the thought of joining them wasn't pleasant. Once I became 1A, I signed up with a USAF recruiter. My draft notice came in the mail shortly thereafter. I had dodged it. I was quite interested in electronics but that wasn't part of a university curriculum. I did well enough on the USAF entrance exams to get just about anything I wanted so I signed asked for something in the field of electronics and, after boot camp in San Antonio, found myself in Wichita Falls, OK for 43 weeks of training in communications and cryptographic equipment. I was later stationed at a NATO base in Aviano, Italy working in a locked vault free from flying bullets. Later, I did get orders to Turkey which were cancelled in favor of going to Viet Nam. Those, thankfully, were cancelled too. But, I'd actually worked alongside a 3-striper who'd done a tour in Nam and wanted to go back! He said the US Army took good care of the AF base protection and that it was always comforting to hear "Spooky" droning overhead. (look that up if you're not familiar with it). In any event, when I get my military service discount at Lowes, I always feel a bit guilty about my desire to avoid the draft by enlisting in something that was reasonably safe. If you were a pilot, that was different. They shot at pilots but not concrete vaults.

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To paraphrase the Bubba Gump line,

Crypto is a million dollar MOS. Happy

On guilt. I just had my VA physical (thank you for your service, taxpayers) and a follow-up with a shrink. I told him I didn't feel right about taking his time from the walking wounded who had dire need of him. (No doubt he recognized that as 'survivor's guilt'.)
He said I signed up, obeyed all the rules and caught a good roll of the dice. Nothing to feel guilt for.
Bible says there's such a thing as unforeseen occurrence- a roll of life's dice either way. It's interesting that the final application of that is death, the last roll, always bad.
Unlike the Muslims, we don't expect or demand direct intervention from Jehovah in either direction. But we do get to ask.
Ec 9:11. 11 I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.

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You served

The Don with his fat head was too good for that.

So he hid in a school until that expired and then he bought a doctor.

Did you know this doctor rents his office space from Trump Sr?

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Added thought

Your 3 stripper had a false sense of security.
I did not feel threaten when I first got to Nam.
The army patrolled the perimeter we had ac47's and cobra's flying around.

I got to see both of those in action not very far from where I was one evening......I would not have wanted to be on the receiving end.

Everything was quiet until one night they sent in a bunch of rockets.
Made quite a mess.
Then every 2nd or 3rd night they would send in one or two more.

It did not take long for me and others to figure out this is a dangerous place to be.

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We can be fair about this if we try

to remember those days. I don't recall a lot of parents who were pushing their young boys to join the fight as a matter of patriotism. In fact, I think it was much the opposite. Many of these parents had personal experiences in the two previous wars. Remember that American involvement in Viet Nam wasn't something that started in the '60s. It had been in the news long before that and open for public debate. Part of that debate was that some young men had parents with the means to send them to college and some did not. There was nothing unique about Trump's case. I wasn't there to hear his discussions with his father about this so I feel it necessary to reserve any personal judgment in that regard. I also recall that it wasn't universally popular to want to join the fight in Viet Nam. You may recall scenes of soldiers who did so finding that many of their own generation didn't welcome them back with open arms but with open mouths full of spittle.

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Good points.

Eisenhower got the US a toehold. He had the Dulles family working for him, and they wanted Communism out of S.E. Asia in the worst way. (!)
I may have earlier recommended The Ugly American. Finally read it not very long ago. Amazing. Last chapter is an explanation that the "invented" characters and incidents are all based on the real, in various parts of Indochina. For those who doubted.

Men started the problem, men "solved" it. An old story.

Springsteen talked about it during a concert I saw. Said he didn't want to go but caught flak from his Dad. Finally went to the signup. Came back and said he flunked the physical. His Dad said, "Good."

My wife will be stopping over in 'Nam on her way to S. Korea for a convention. Her sister will be along, who is fluent in Vietnamese. They expect to have a good time- cautiously. "Yesterday's enemy" and all that.

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DJT has no logic

stop looking for something that doesn't even exists
just enjoy the ride for the next 5 years

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