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Calling Foreign Baby-Makers To Hotel Maternity

Mar 4, 2015 3:17AM PST

You can check in, and your baby need never check out, of America. baby Anchors Away!! Citizenship for sale!

We need new laws, so that ONLY a woman who is an American citizen can give birth to another American citizen. Any child born to a mother who isn't American, retains that mother's country's citizenship.

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So an American male
Mar 4, 2015 3:37AM PST

cannot have an American offspring UNLESS he marries an American born woman?

Any child born to a mother who isn't American, retains that mother's country's citizenship.

Even IF/WHEN they marry an American male?

The child is hers...NOT his/theirs?

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PS.. James, I hovered over all the periods in your post
Mar 4, 2015 4:25AM PST

no secret messages/new information discovered.

I prefer my "decoder ring" to the "hovercraft"

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So an American male
Jul 12, 2015 9:11PM PDT
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RE: schemes offering travel and lodging services
Mar 4, 2015 3:40AM PST
schemes offering travel and lodging services to pregnant foreign women seeking to give birth in the United States,

Your fellow Americans taking advantage of free enterprise?
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Re: maternity hotel
Mar 4, 2015 3:57AM PST

What I read in your link:
"The U.S. Constitution grants citizenship to any child born on U.S. soil, regardless of parentage, and immigration experts say there was nothing inherently illegal about women coming from abroad to give birth to children in the United States."

Now it depends on your political shrewdness how succesfull you are to change the Constitution. My suggestion: link it to a change regulating and limiting gun-ownership. Then everybody gets something he likes, while accepting something he dislikes. A nice compromise. A win-win situation!

Kees

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Yeah, and look at that mess
Mar 4, 2015 11:55AM PST

which gave us Obama, and we've still not figured out which is his correct birth certificate, nor why his SS# comes from Connecticut having belonged to some older deceased person there.

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RE: we've still not figured out
Mar 4, 2015 12:33PM PST
we've still not figured out which is his correct birth certificate

You mean YOU haven't figured out which is his correct birth certificate, others have.

I haven't heard Trump squawking about the birth certificate lately or anyone collecting the $5 Million he offered, is that on your to do list? Collecting the money...not the squawking.

Can you make a scowling face like the Donald when you talk about Obama?
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RE: nor why his SS#
Mar 4, 2015 1:12PM PST
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just a odd number of coincidences?
Mar 5, 2015 1:37AM PST

snopes has always leaned to the left.

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Have you got any "proof" for your scenario?
Mar 5, 2015 4:15AM PST

Have you heard of anyone collecting $5 Million?...Why not?

Because even $5 million can't get someone to "manufacture evidence" that would DISprove Obamas birth certificate.

Just stories and unprovable scenarios.

just a odd number of coincidences?

Coincidences?...Get the rope?

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rope?
Mar 5, 2015 11:17AM PST

You planning on doing a "David Carridine"? Get your own rope.

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You're the one
Mar 6, 2015 5:53AM PST

convicting on coincidences.

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With God
Mar 6, 2015 6:06AM PST

there are no coincidences.

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(NT) I see you've dragged out YOUR Strawman.
Mar 6, 2015 11:24AM PST
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How about Ted Cruz?
Mar 4, 2015 10:29PM PST

Why doesn't anyone complaining about him not being born in this country and wanting to be President?

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There is no reason to complain
Mar 6, 2015 5:46AM PST

He is a 'natural' born USA citizen since his mother was born in Delaware. His birth in Canada is no different than other children born to American citizens in other countries, Diana....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Why would you have a problem with his birthplace but not his legal status as a US citizen if he did decide to run?

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RE: He is a 'natural' born
Mar 6, 2015 5:57AM PST

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen,

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Re: natural born
Mar 6, 2015 7:04AM PST

That's clear for everybody who ever saw a birth of a human baby; the difference between a natural birth and a cesarian is obvious. Nobody would call an operation like that 'natural'.

I don't fully understand why you can't become President of the USA if you're born via a cesarian, but so be it.

Kees

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I'd think that, to change the definition to exclude
Mar 6, 2015 8:39AM PST

C-section births, the adverb form would need to have been used...that is "naturally born". We have natural and naturalized citizens, the later being of foreign birth but have fulfilled citizenship requirements. I suspect, could we listen into conversations hundreds of years ago in our own native languages we might still need an interpreter.

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by nature of birth, meaning parents
Mar 6, 2015 9:43AM PST

their citizenship is determined. When that was written it was in a day when women didn't have the vote and only applied to the offspring of American men, not to "baby anchors" by foreign women we have today. It also means Obama is really a Kenyan.

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Actually he had dual citizenship
Mar 6, 2015 10:31AM PST

between the UK and USA. When the UK released Kenya, his father took Kenyan citizenship which means his dual citizenship was Kenya and USA. When he turned 23 his Kenyan citizenship dropped.

Does that mean that Cruz is Cuban?

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Historical perspective
Mar 6, 2015 10:51AM PST

Showing our forefathers meant by "naturally born", it was if the father was a citizen. The child's citizenship was based on the father, not the mother.

Google reference book.


This woman lost her citizenship due to marriage of a non citizen, in Hawaii.
Notice this phrase there, "Historically, wives belonged with husbands, husbands to the nation".

Also; "Before the Cable Act and it's amendments, the Citizenship status of minor children and wives was folded within that of fathers and husbands, uniting the family undeer a single civic identity. While both naturalizatioin and immigration policies privileged family unity, they also defined the legal parameters of "family" and regulated the implications of inherited status. "

We have abandoned the "natural" condition of citizenship by husband and/or fathers unfortunately in 1934 when the unconstitutional 1934 Equal Nationality Act, which also allowed women to pass citizenship on to their children. So, follow the unconstitutional understanding, or the Constitutional understanding. The ONLY way that should and could be changed and made valid would be by Amendment.

So, under Constitutional understanding, if we had honest Supreme Court Judges and honest politicians, Obama is and remains a citizen of Kenya, through is father, and NOT a "natural born" citizen of the USA, rather he could become a "naturalized citizen" but still not Constitutionally eligible to be President.

From that foolish and errant law, we now also have the scourge of "anchor babies" complicating matters for immigration officials.

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So Cruz isn't a "national born" citizen
Mar 6, 2015 11:34AM PST

He is a Cuban and not eligible to be President.

Does that mean the Speaker of the House has to be a "natural born" citizen as well?

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why do you keep asking me
Mar 6, 2015 11:38AM PST

about someone I've told you several times I don't keep up on news about? As for Speaker of the House, I've not checked on requirements for that position, but he'd have to be eligible to move in succession to the Presidency or they'd move past him to the next person in line.

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So what was all this about Obama not being
Mar 6, 2015 6:47AM PST

eligible to be President because he wasn't born in the US was just a farce? His mother was born in the US and, even if he were born in Kenya, there shouldn't be a problem with him running for President.

Or is it that Ted Cruz looks white (even though he's 50% Hispanic) and a Republican so it's okay for him to be born in a different country? The reason it wouldn't be okay for Obama was because he was black and a Democrat?

If not, please explain why there was so much talk about Obama and not about Cruz?

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BO's mother
Mar 6, 2015 7:14AM PST

renounced her US citizenship when she married BO's father before he was born.....or at least that's what many historical buffs were saying as they researched his ancestry. It didn't help any that his Hawaiian birth records were hidden for such a long time, Diana. There is no record that she returned on a 'visa' long enough to give birth either....and his own grandmother was publicly, for a while at least, stating that he was born in Kenya.

I personally never made a big issue out of his birth.....but I still question how he was able to have such a 'grand' life and got into such great colleges with such a horrible, by his own words, high school record of being 'high' for his last two years. Something there is still not 'kosher', in my opinion.

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Just where did you get this information?
Mar 6, 2015 8:03AM PST

I don't remember ever reading or hearing about his mother renouncing her citizenship. Did she pick up the citizenship of some other country? I don't remember his grandmother saying that he was born in Kenya. Besides which grandmother? Not interested in right wing blogs either.

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If you aren't interested
Mar 6, 2015 6:41PM PST

in 'right wing' blogs, you will never see the other side of the argument on these issues, Diana, because the left has been in his pocket, including the media, since his Chicago days and never reported on ANY of it. THAT'S why you 'don't remember ever reading or hearing about his mother' or even his grandmother. So I guess that's the end of the discussion as far as you're concerned. So much for honesty and truth .........

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RE: So much for honesty and truth .........
Mar 7, 2015 9:18PM PST
Fox News ducks falsehoods problem with ratings boast

Rachel Maddow points out that Bill O'Reilly and his network, Fox News, have not substantively addressed a series of falsehoods by Mr. O'Reilly and instead appear to be trying to distract from their credibility problem with ratings non sequiturs.