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California Sodomites To Be Executed?

Mar 24, 2015 9:09AM PDT
A ballot initiative in California to execute homosexuals and to fine $1 million for any pro homosexual agenda propaganda may be on the ballot next election. Submitted by a lawyer, so Liberal forces are trying to get him disbarred. I guess they don't want a level playing field when it comes to creating ballot initiatives?

Hmm, upholding healthy sexual practices as legal is now "hate speech"? What a disgusting country we live in when defending proper sexual expression and behaviour is considered "hate" but sodomy and spread of HIV is considered "love". Eventually HIV will begin climbing the upside of the usual bell curve on viral diseases and become easier to spread and more quickly virulent.

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So it's okay with you to go ahead and shoot people
Mar 24, 2015 9:23AM PDT

His ballot initiative is for the government to shoot homosexuals in the head. Then, if the government won't do that, it gives permission for ordinary citizens to do it.

When I first heard about this, my first thought was Esther. So, what you are saying is that the king should have gone through with letting people kill all the Jews?

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assigning words to people again?
Mar 24, 2015 9:31AM PDT

Building the strawman? If you want to tell me what I said, then quote me.

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How about this
Mar 24, 2015 11:14AM PDT
Hmm, upholding healthy sexual practices as legal is now "hate speech"? What a disgusting country we live in when defending proper sexual expression and behaviour is considered "hate" but sodomy and spread of HIV is considered "love".

Really sounds like you agree with him.
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So, if I find someone
Mar 24, 2015 7:58PM PDT

who agrees with you on something, but then advocates radical solutions, can I accuse you of the same? As for sodomy being outlawed, I do agree with him. That is not radical either, but the way it was for centuries across this country. It is this current times in which sodomites openly proclaim their shame and demand it be accepted that is the radical times.

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Re: sodomites
Mar 24, 2015 8:18PM PDT

Calling "someone with a sexual preference for the same gender" a "sodomite" is a typical example of framing, especially for those who know the story of Sodom and Gomorra (if you don't it's just a neutral term like "gay").

There are countries (like the US) still considering certain crimes a capital offence and reason for the death penalty (after a quite thorough juridical proceduire). But viewing "a sexual preference for the same gender" as such an offence and even letting go of that juridical procedure is a rather extreme point of view.

Boko Haram and IS seem to think that being a schoolgirl or being a Christian or even the wrong kind of Muslim suffices. That's rather extreme also.

This thread, by the way, reminds me of witch-burning, which was common in the Middle Ages in Europe. We left that behind us, I hope. Or would that be the next ballot initiative? Being a witch could ne considered un-Christian, although I can't point right now to a place in the Bible that says so.

Kees

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Thou shall not suffer a witch to live
Mar 24, 2015 10:02PM PDT

Actually most of the "witch burnings" were midwives and herbalists. When doctors started becoming more common, the midwives were cutting into their income and were burned or hung as witches to get rid of them.

I would characterize this guy as equivalent to Boko Haram and ISIS.

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the Witch of Endor
Mar 26, 2015 12:57AM PDT

she was a "spiritist", seemingly a charlatan too, (surprised when Samuel's spirit appeared) and probably a "soothsayer" too, but not a healer with herbs nor a midwife. In fact in the bible you read of midwives, so obviously that was NOT considered a witchcraft. Jesus said "he that is ill is in need of a Physician". I don't know who your Bible teacher is, what "church" you attend, but I would urge you to change because so often you've shown a complete misunderstanding and at times even an animosity, all while claiming to be a follower of the scriptures. Remember, even Satan can appear as an angel of light, in order to mislead, and the place he does it best is subverting true biblical knowledge and understanding.

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You mean, if I disagree with your interpretation
Mar 26, 2015 5:57AM PDT

of scripture, I must be wrong and not stay with my church?

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my interpretation?
Mar 26, 2015 9:02AM PDT

1) do you see any "witch" in the bible described as a healer or herbalist?

Search if you wish, but you won't. Anyone telling you different is misleading you.

2) Do you see descriptions of what are considered witches in the bible?

Search if you wish, you can find it.

hint; look for these passages.


anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.

A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death.

Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them:

Then Saul said to his servants, "Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "Behold, there is a medium at En-dor."

Evil spirit indwelling;
we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation." And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour.

And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers.

Or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead,

Moreover, Josiah put away the mediums and the necromancers and the household gods and the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, that he might establish the words of the law that were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.


Nope, not seeing anything about midwives and herbalist. I suggest whoever told you that was in the bible is insufficiently knowledgeable to teach you about the bible and you should abandon them as a teacher and look for someone who actually does teach "bible things in bible ways" and avoid those who "do not cease to pervert the word of God". If you wish to please God and Christ, you would not stay with those who continue in teaching such obvious error.

Oh, look, it's just a google away!

http://www.openbible.info/topics/witches

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I was simply showing Kees the only place I know of
Mar 26, 2015 10:37AM PDT

where witches were mentioned. You brought the witch of Endor.

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I heard it differently
Mar 26, 2015 3:18AM PDT

Solitary older women were suspect. Many had lost or never had husbands. Men died younger and were killed in war and there were many women left to support themselves in any way they could. Reclusive older women were easy targets for witch hunters.

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That happened a lot but a lot of them
Mar 26, 2015 5:57AM PDT

were in the Middle Ages and were cutting into the physicans' income.

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what does that have
Mar 26, 2015 9:09AM PDT

to do with the bible and it's teachings? If it's true, that's a profit motive, not a religious one.

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You can't be talking about midwives
Mar 26, 2015 9:20AM PDT

but about "healers" which might have been closer to what morphed into nurses. Midwives were essential but needed to be qualified in their field going through apprenticeships. Male physicians, at that time, did not enter the birthing chamber. Men were banned from being there so any idea that midwives were cutting into physician's income isn't true.

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what do you think the nuns were for?
Mar 26, 2015 12:57PM PDT

They were the part of the Roman Catholic Church which dealt with women issues, and that included midwifing. Someone has really mislead you. I'm not Catholic and I know this.

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Wasn't the topic "midwifery" and how that
Mar 26, 2015 6:27PM PDT

cut into physician's pay? As for "healers", what was probably being practiced was akin to a voodoo style of healing and not true nursing care. But, go ahead and keep on hating if you wish.

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This could sound like a deliberate attempt
Mar 24, 2015 6:32PM PDT

to create an atmosphere of support for homosexual persons rather than disdain. Sometimes, nothing works better than exaggeration of the most extreme type to get folks to do some re-thinking of their opinions.

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I'm not so sure of that
Mar 24, 2015 8:04PM PDT

People in Germany got fed up with those engaging in the "Bohemian lifestyle" and that lead to the acceptance of Hitler's promises to solve that problem, to promote "purity". Backlashes, rebounds, turn abouts and pent up frustrations could lead to that again. It's something I've pointed out before, and this latest is just a more obvious symptom of it. "Final Solutions" are not an genocidal anomaly, but a mainstay of history, done by all sorts of social and political persuasions.

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RE: Hitler's promises to solve that problem,
Mar 24, 2015 8:42PM PDT

Now Hitler is your model human?

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Is that where you want to take it?
Mar 26, 2015 12:58AM PDT

Keep pushing such till people are willing to hand it over to someone like him for a solution? Sounds like it.

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It might depend on one's opinion about human nature
Mar 24, 2015 8:57PM PDT

One who thinks humans have an evil side that's stronger than their goodness side might play one way while those who believe the opposite is true would play differently. Personally, I'm of the opinion that persons who don't suffer from sociopathic disease (hopefully, most don't) would recognize evil and run from it.

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Re: rethinking
Mar 24, 2015 8:53PM PDT

I doubt if James is rethinking his opinions about gays at the moment. I even doubt if he considers the proposal an "exaggeration of the most extreme type". In fact, I'm afraid he agrees.

Kees

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My viewpoint is in
Mar 26, 2015 1:00AM PDT

Bible, Romans, chapter 1. God punishes them, not just in the time to come when they are destroyed, tossed to hell along with others, but bodily suffering with associated disease, I suppose to give time for repentance, since "God is long suffering, not willing that any should perish". We control other sexual deviations like prostitution, we should use the same methods against homosexuality.