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Bye-bye, Joe: now Hillary?s the target

by Mark5019 / August 14, 2006 2:12 AM PDT

THE defeat of Joe Lieberman, the most hawkish senator in the Democratic party, by an anti-war political novice in a primary election in Connecticut last week was a spectacular coup for the ?netroots?: the grassroots, anti-establishment, anti-war left that had mobilised opposition on the internet to the political grandee.

The same activists are now seeking to bend Senator Hillary Clinton to their anti-war side or face defeat in the Democratic presidential primaries. Her supporters are concerned that the ?jihadist? left, galvanised by the victory of East Coast millionaire Ned Lamont, are on the rise in the Democratic party, starkly affecting its national electoral prospects.

Mike McCurry, White House press secretary during Bill Clinton?s presidency, said: ?The very idea of centrism is under attack now in the party. We have our own loony left too.?

The former first lady, whose strategy for winning the presidency in 2008 has been based on persuading the electorate she is a genuine moderate and tough on national security, is watching her back warily.

?She?s got to read the results with a certain anxiety,? said McCurry, who remains close to the Clintons. ?There is a very angry Democratic base out there and it?s perilous for ?new Democrats?. She is going to be figuring out a way to heavy-up the anti-Bush message.?

Clinton faces a potentially deadly squeeze between Republicans, who are ramping up their charges that the Democrats are soft on terror in the wake of the airliner bombing plot, and her own party activists who have received all the proof they seek that untrammelled opposition to President George W Bush and the war in Iraq is an election winner.

If the New York senator is to win the Democratic nomination for president, she will need the support of her party base in the presidential primaries.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2310049,00.html

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We will see where Leiberman really stands...
by grimgraphix / August 14, 2006 3:00 AM PDT

with the electorate this fall. I would vote for him just because I think we need a strong 3rd party movement to shake up the far right far left synergy that has developed. Polarization has become the norm and people seem to be happy with it.

As for Hillary? She scares me because of the pandering she does to the particular crowd she is speaking to at any given time. I'm tired of politicians spoon feeding us inane sound bites... it has contributed to the dumbing down of american politics.

grim

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she allready was president
by Mark5019 / August 14, 2006 3:03 AM PDT

she had bills balls in a vise and see how he screwed up

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;-)
by grimgraphix / August 14, 2006 3:08 AM PDT

She did wear the pants in the family... or I should say she had her pants on more often than Bill did. Wink

grim

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I will vote for Lieberman this November ...
by Evie / August 14, 2006 3:08 AM PDT

... although my political philosophy is more aligned with the fiscal conservatism of the Republican candidate. He is a weak candidate and doesn't stand a chance. A Maxine Waters protege can be risked in the House where as one of some 500+ they can't do too much harm, but Lamont simply cannot be allowed to slither into the Senate. The country as a whole does not deserve this antisemetic lightweight foisted upon them. Lamont has about as much knowledge and understanding of foreign policy as the Dixie Chicks.

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I had heard that lamont said...
by grimgraphix / August 14, 2006 3:15 AM PDT

when asked about redeployment of troops out of Iraq... his response was to the effect that redeploying them anywhere was fine just as long as they were out of Iraq.

And the Dems wonder why they are accused of lacking a plan or vision. Sad

grim

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Didn't you hear?
by Evie / August 14, 2006 3:23 AM PDT

Lamont is being hailed as a harbinger of the right course that the electorate favors!

Really Devil

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(NT) (NT) Sigh ;-(
by grimgraphix / August 14, 2006 3:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Didn't you hear?
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Antisemetic?
by Paul C / August 14, 2006 10:40 PM PDT

I'm just wondering: What did I miss?

In any event, when I saw the first Quinnepiac poll (Lieberman, 46%; Lamont, 41%; the Republican - he does have a name, right? - 6%), I realized that the old Reagan-era rift between the hard left party elites and the ''Reagan Democrats'' might be reappearing. If that continues into 2008, with the hard left continuing its purge of any moderation in the party, the GOP could find itself the undeserved beneficiary of the Dems' self-destruction (Americans have never much liked neo-Stalinist practices on the part of their political parties).

Please read my reply to Mark for an elaboration.

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Lamont had considerable ...
by Evie / August 14, 2006 11:43 PM PDT
In reply to: Antisemetic?

... support from antisemetic groups/activists (the Sheehan gang, and indeed a goodly chunk of the radical "anti-war" crowd are such). He embraced them rather than shun them. I'm not quite sure what some things like a blackfaced Lieberman mean, so there's some other broad hatred from the Lamont camp aimed at Lieberman, but having been subjected to the Lamont ads for several weeks now, there is no mistaking the underlying "Jewish Joe" theme in the ads re: American foreign policy and "No War for Israel". Sad

Evie Happy

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Evie, can you give
by Dan McC / August 15, 2006 12:17 AM PDT

us any links to the Lamont campaign materials you mention?

Thanks,

Dan Happy

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As you know ...
by Evie / August 15, 2006 12:23 AM PDT
In reply to: Evie, can you give

... you won't find it on any "official" campaign materials.

Just who he was flanked by in his victory speech should raise a few eyebrows. But the liberal media in CT largely gave Lamont a pass.

Even Lanny Davis couldn't get much attention from the left to this issue.

Now please go troll elsewhere please. My post was NOT bait in any way, shape or form.

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I didn't know that.
by Dan McC / August 15, 2006 12:40 AM PDT
In reply to: As you know ...

From your description it was not clear that you were assigning him responsibility for the work of other organizations.

Can you show us evidence of any of the antisemitic material you claim exists?

Thanks,

Dan Happy

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p.s. The Republican
by Evie / August 14, 2006 11:51 PM PDT
In reply to: Antisemetic?
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(NT) (NT) The enemy of my enemy is my friend. -Arab proverb
by kmarchal / August 14, 2006 11:20 PM PDT
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She doesn't need to be bent, Mark.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / August 14, 2006 3:09 AM PDT

As Bob Dylan said, "it doesn't take a weatherman to see which way the wind blows," and her justified attack on Remsfeld as author of a failed policy shows that she very much "gets it."

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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(NT) (NT) Hahahahaha!
by Evie / August 14, 2006 3:10 AM PDT
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yup she got it
by Mark5019 / August 14, 2006 3:26 AM PDT

and you don't see whats shes doing is changes her skin color like a chameleon.

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Were Sen. Clinton a ship, Dave,...
by Paul C / August 14, 2006 7:59 PM PDT

...she'd have the ability to tack instantaneously into any prevailing wind without leaving so much a hint of wake to mark her passage. Of course, were you on the ship, you might get seasick from the constant turns to port and starboard - and you'd probably never get where the captain said you were going. Devil

Dylan might wonder why the weatherman was so confused, and why the weathervane on the barn was spinning in circles...

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Sadly the more extreme left the democrate
by Roger NC / August 14, 2006 12:08 PM PDT

candidate are, the more extreme right the republican candidates will be.

And IMO that's a loss for all of us, chose between one extreme or the other, with little or no chance of compromise or common sense.


Roger

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(NT) (NT) Indeed
by grimgraphix / August 14, 2006 1:45 PM PDT
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Compromise?? I would just like to see common sense
by kmarchal / August 14, 2006 10:36 PM PDT

This appears to be what compromise is today?.
John Kerry, on the Senate floor; ?This is groundbreaking legislation,'' ''that enhances the federal government's commitment to our nation's public education system ... and embraces many of the principles and programs that I believe are critical to improving the public education system.'' .... ''Last year I worked with 10 of my Democratic colleagues to introduce legislation that would help break the stalemate and move beyond the tired, partisan debates of the past. Our education proposal became the foundation of the bill before us today.''

Bush: The No Child Left Behind Act is opening the door of opportunity to all of America?s children.

the compromise was; this bill ensures that all kids in the class are just as dumb as the slowest kid in class???????

Lieberman only agreed with the President 15% +/- and he gets the boot?..

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Don't fret, Mark:
by Paul C / August 14, 2006 10:18 PM PDT

The fix is in, and as I've been saying for months, it matters not what the Netroots say or do; Miss Hillaruh will be the 2008 Democrat nominee.

All of which should be real interesting, since the MoveOn/Michael Moore crowd believe - with good reason - that they have bought the party and it's now theirs do do with as they please:

For years, the Party has been lead by elite Washington insiders who are closer to corporate lobbyists than they are to the Democratic base. But we can't afford four more years of leadership by a consulting class of professional election losers. In the last year, grassroots contributors like us gave more than $300 million to the Kerry campaign and the DNC, and proved that the Party doesn't need corporate cash to be competitive. Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it, and we're going to take it back.

Now in all fairness, they do have a point. After all, we've seen what happened to the Republicans when they started cosying up to the same crowd through the "K Street Project;" the near total abandonment of anything resembling a conservative principle.

So in 2008 we'll have to choose between Miss Hillaruh and whatever pseudo-conservative the GOP foists off on us, and we'll choose between a GOP that's drifting ever leftward and a Democrat Party that's racing in the same direction.

From the Times article:

Michael Barone, the author of The Almanac of American Politics, said the votes in the Connecticut primary revealed a gulf between blue-collar Democrats and the wealthy east coast liberals who rallied to Lamont.

?In Stamford, where Joe Lieberman grew up the son of a liquor store owner, and where there are still sizable blue-collar and black communities, Mr Lieberman won with 55% of the vote,? Barone said.

?In next-door Greenwich, where Ned Lamont grew up as the scion of an investment banker family and where property prices are now among the highest in the nation, Mr Lamont won with 68% of the vote.?

The class divide has potentially far-reaching consequences because blue-collar Democrats, like the Reagan Democrats in the 1980s, tend to share the Republicans? core values on strong national defence.

It was the loss of this group of voters at the end of the Vietnam war that led the Democratic party to lose every presidential election with the exception of the one-term Jimmy Carter from 1968 until the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war.

Clinton has a problem with blue-collar Democrats, who are inclined to look unfavourably on a woman candidate for president, whom they see as haughty. If she moves to the left to placate the ?netroots?, their alienation could intensify.


Of course, it'll be the Netroots and their allies who, having seized control of the party and placed their darling, Howard Dean, as DNC chair, who'll write large parts of the 2008 platform.

I'm reminded of 1864 here. In that election, the Democrats who wanted peace with the Confederacy at any cost hammered together a platform that called for the immediate end of hostilities and a negotiated recognition of Confederate independence. As a result, their nominee, former general George McClellan, found himself hamstrung between his belief that the Union had to be preserved and the stated belief of his party. He, of course, lost. While history seldom repeats itself so neatly, I can't help but think that the political stars are aligning in that direction; and while the GOP really has in so many ways lost its way, it may remain the least abhorrent choice.

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(NT) (NT) Joe isn't out, yet
by Dragon / August 14, 2006 10:50 PM PDT
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I heard an interview with the RNC
by Dan McC / August 14, 2006 11:17 PM PDT

chairman. He wouldn't even endorse the republican candidate. It was most amusing.

Dan

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Even before all of this developed ...
by Evie / August 14, 2006 11:57 PM PDT

... Republicans in the state were urging Schlesinger not to run. He has a mini-scandal involving using an alias to gamble at the casinos. The Republican party in CT is, unfortunately, a big mess at the moment. Sad

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Unlike the DNC...
by EdH / August 15, 2006 12:00 AM PDT

They are rooting for the quality candidate.

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Well, he didn't endorse
by Dan McC / August 15, 2006 12:11 AM PDT
In reply to: Unlike the DNC...

any candidate, but specifically refused to endorse his own party's choice.

Dan

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If the State party ...
by Evie / August 15, 2006 12:15 AM PDT

... can't field a quality candidate, the national party isn't necessarily lock-step behind them.

The DNC's embrace of Lamont will be interesting to watch. If it is enthusiastic, that spells trouble for the viability of the party.

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she is in a pickle
by kmarchal / August 15, 2006 12:05 AM PDT
Front runners

where should they Find this grand liquor that hath gilded 'em? How camest thou in this pickle?
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