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Buying advice for my final computer: laptop, all-in-one desktop, or what?

Oct 8, 2010 5:36AM PDT
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Buying advice for my final computer: laptop, all-in-one desktop, or what?


I am 69 years old and about to retire on a small pension. I have been shopping for "my final computer," with a budget around $2,000. I fancied the aesthetics of an "all-in-one" desktop replacement, but these seem to me to be poor value for the money and not as well-specified as laptop alternatives. I am not keen on the tower replacement with wires everywhere. I am a keen novice photographer/videographer with good equipment and lots of digital pictures and HD video files. I would like to do some editing in my retirement.

My concern with the laptop would be that its life span might be quite limited because of the heat generated in the confined spaces. I am not that familiar with the technical aspects of CPUs, graphic cards, and the latest Intel chips. I wonder if I were to compromise on specifications and go for the aesthetics of the 'all-in-one,' what specifications would your members suggest to meet my photographic and video-editing requirements, without the need for overkill and yet not keep me waiting for ages while the computer is processing large files? Best wishes and thank you!

--Submitted by: Brian C. of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

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Good advice!
Oct 16, 2010 4:44PM PDT

I like your advice Sid! Am contemplating what to go for myself. would like to know what laptop was it that you got the 3yr international warranty on, and what software do you use for syncing and imaging and have more questions to ask which is not related to this forum.

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This is what I did
Oct 16, 2010 1:22AM PDT

Setup:

ASUS G51J (Quad Core)
Asus 24" HDMI (extended desktop)
Bose Companion 3 II (connected through the second monitor)
Seagate 500 GB 7200 rpm Flex Pro USB 3 (only used for backups)
Seagate USB 3 notebook PC adaptor

All for less than $1700, this setup allows for audio/video connection with a single HDMI cable, provisions for a full backup and desktop equivalent performance that I can easily take on the road. All my previous computers were built by me and the last one cost me nearly $4000 before I was through.

My performance test is Flight Simulator X. It runs flawlessly with all the settings set to maximum. I never could do that before this machine.

I am a convert.

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Question regarding your Macs
Oct 17, 2010 9:56AM PDT

Do your Macs have bootcamp installed and/or VMFusion or Parallels installed so you have both worlds at your fingertips, PC and Mac??
LJB

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My final computer
Oct 19, 2010 12:17AM PDT

Thanks Lee, The idea of getting both laptop and desktop hadn't crossed my mind and the external hard drive is also logical. Thanks for your help. Brian

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Suggested Computer
Oct 8, 2010 10:34AM PDT

J&R electronics has a Sony VPCL137FX/R on sale for $1699.99 with free shipping. I am retired and just bought one and I am very pleased with it. It is fast and appears to do all the things you want. Their phone # is 1-800-221-8180 for sales or JR.com

Good Luck
Jaime

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(NT) core i7
Oct 15, 2010 11:03AM PDT
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No need to spend all of that money!
Oct 8, 2010 10:39AM PDT

Brian, congratulations on your retirement! 1st of all, if portability isn't an issue, then definitely get a desktop. Much more bang for the buck, and it is much easier and cheaper to upgrade when the need arises. You are right to question whether an "all-in-one" is really necessary. Personally, I would stay away from them. It sounds like you have many devices that you want to hook up to your computer (cameras, video recorders, scanners, etc). A tower with lots of connectivity options sounds like just what you should be looking for. Without getting too technical, the thing that you should focus on mostly is RAM. Just about any mid-range computer should be able to handle what you want to do. Look for something around 4Gig or more of DDR3 RAM. Also, since you want to work with HD Video, a good video card is a must, but the good news is that if the computer you buy doesn't come with a good one, it is easy to upgrade a desktop. Next, should you get Windows or Mac? If money is no object, then the Mac is probably better suited to video editing, just because of the superior software over Windows, but Windows can handle it just fine also, at a much lower cost. My advice: Spend around $700-900 for a decent computer, take the rest of the money, and save it for upgrades later on down the line. Enjoy!

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I agree 100% with marklynnwilliams' advice
Oct 9, 2010 1:28AM PDT

I have used a 17" Sony laptop without problem for nearly 3 years. I avoid the heat problem by placing it on an Antec notebook cooler while I use it as a desktop in my house; I don't worry about the heat when I use it as a laptop while traveling.

You will want upgrades down the line: Mr. Williams' advice is on target. I replace my laptop every 4 years--just because--but I find that within a year of purchase I want to upgrade the RAM because Windows updates quickly make a computer slow as molasses, and usually by the 2nd year after purchase I want to replace the hard drive to one that comes with a 5-year warranty.

Just make sure the computer you buy has a high quality video card. You will need this for photo and video editing, and it usually does not come on the cheapest of computers.

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I agree with marklynnwilliams advice, apart from one point.
Oct 10, 2010 1:11PM PDT

I agree with marklynnwilliams advice, apart from one point. This point being that macs are better at video editing, I strongly disagree with this... both are equally good at this task...

I work as a web developer, which means I make use extensive use of photos, graphics and video editing software.

I make use of Adobe's Creative Suite 5 (includes Photoshop etc.). As this is very comprehensive and the best, in my opinion, and is available for mac and windows.

I would suggest purchasing a windows desktop (less fiddling about and easier to fix if something were to go wrong, and cheaper for the same specs), with at least 4gb of ddr3 ram, you will want a small speedy hard drive for running your operating system and a large 1tb or 2tb hard drive, for storing your photos and videos. A pretty new graphics card is going to last you a long time, specifications wise... But can be pricey. Going for a cheaper option here may mean 1 and a 1/2 years down the road that you find it is sluggish when dealing with video editing, especially with updates to technology, (e.g. higher megapixel cameras etc.)... next if you want to play / burn your video's / photos to disk, you will need at least a dvd-rw drive, perhaps a blu-ray drive (optional / depends on your requirements). Processor wise I would go for the one of the cheaper intel I7 processors. as these are powerful but reasonably priced (don't go for the higher models, as you can overclock the processors easily, most motherboards allow this in bios, or via a taskbar application). Motherboard wise go for a motherboard which has the option for upgrading your ram, look for max ram of 12gb - 24gb. A motherboard with these specs will last you a long time as you can upgrade the ram when required. I suggest something like the Asus P6X58D premium. this has ddr3 ram support, usb 3 and has all the connections you will ever need, and will no doubt last a long time.

Unfortunately as stated in your title, you want this as your final computer, the problem is the useful life time of a any computer is 5-6 years... As new technologies come into play all the time... there's no avoiding this I'm afraid.

I'm based in the UK, a website like www.pcspecialist.co.uk allows you to build your own pc. By choosing the parts you want installed inside it and are very reasonably priced, compared to the high street shops. I saved about ?400 ($637.75), and got exactly what i wanted.

I'm sure there are sites similar to pcspecialist in the states unfortunately I'm unable to recommend any, due to my location.

Like marklynnwilliams I wouldn't spend all the budget on the pc straight away. I would spend about 2/5 of your budget on the pc itself, another 2/5 on the operating system and software. With the final fifth spare to spend on upgrading further down the line.

I hope this helps you.

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Final computer
Nov 9, 2010 2:28AM PST

Thanks for excellent advice and practical suggestions. Brian

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Buying advice for your final computer
Oct 8, 2010 10:40AM PDT

Hello Bryan,

The only reason that you should consider a laptop is if you need to use the computer outside of your home. Based on what you wrote, my recommendation would be an Apple iMac 27 3.2GHz. It has a fast Core i3 processor and 4GB of RAM. It sells for $1699 at the Apple store, which would leave you $301 to buy an Applecare extended warranty and a large capacity external desktop firewire drive to store all of your video files for editing. The iMac is a perfect choice for you because it is an all in one design with high performance specifications. It is extremely easy to use and it even comes with a built in video editing program called iMovie and a built in image program called iPhoto. If you need more sophisticated software, almost all of the higher end video and photo editing software packages are compatible too. If you would like to know more just find your local apple store or reseller and try one out. The staff there should be able to answer any other questions that you may have. Good luck and let me know if you post any of your photos or videos online.

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Buying advice..
Oct 15, 2010 10:11AM PDT

For video and photo editing, get an i5 processor at least. Go to a i7 if you can. It will cost more, but the computer will be usable longer. I have a Dell laptop with a i5, and it boots up and shuts down faster than my dual core AMD tower, which is about 4 years old. And any task it runs goes faster, with the exception of its slower DVD-rw drive.

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Me Too!!
Oct 8, 2010 10:41AM PDT

But at 72 I'm a bit behind already:o) So far I've found the same basic landscape you report, but with new "cooling bases" for laptops and with USB's infinite possiblities present themselves. A friend who's interests are similar to your, uses a Dell "all-in-one" with 6 (SIX!) 500GB external HD's. Another friend uses a "desktop" replacement, I'd mention the brand but there are so many that are so similar it doesn't seem fair to do so!) but prefers "cloud" storage over the "clutter" of HD's on his desktop. I'm still looking for that amazing combination of power/speed/image reproduction/flexibility and ease of use (keyboard touch, size etc et al). Eager to hear the answers, and good luck to both of us!

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Final Computer
Oct 8, 2010 10:43AM PDT

With $2,000 I suggest that you not even think about your final computer -- but realize that that money will easily buy you at least two and probably three very good computers that with any luck should take you well into your 80s.

Assuming that you do not do serious gaming, photo editing, huge spreadsheets, or other cpu or graphics processor intensive tasks, there is no reason to spend even close to $2,000 on a machine today. (And I say that as someone who from the mid-1980s until the past year or two was a firm believer in the motto that the computer that I really want is about $2,500.) But for web access, word processing (even very serious stuff on book-length manuscripts), email, ordinary spreadsheets, ordinary photo editing, and similar sorts of things, you should be quite happy with a computer that ranges in price from $400-800 -- $1,000 absolute max.

Even if a desktop may last a bit longer -- and that is not obviously correct -- that certainly should not be a consideration. The question is what you want to work on and have in your house. It sounds like the clean simplicity of a laptop is attractive to you. So go for it.

Now you have to choose size. Your choices range for a 10 inch netbook up to a 17 inch behemoth that you will almost certainly leave fixed on a desk most of the time. The issues here really are 1) aesthetics, 2) readability/usability, and 3) the fact that the smallest boxes usually have somewhat less computing power. (I am ignoring portability and battery life, which seem not important to you.) But you will be surprised at the (pleasantly) size of hard drives on these machines. Unless you have truly immense music and photo collections, they will be adequate. And if you really do need half a terabyte or more of storage, and external drive will handle that easily and cheaply.

There are great laptops out there in the $600-800 range that blow away a five year old $2,300 machine that I have passed on to a relative who still uses it happily. And if you like the look of netbooks, for $400 how can you go wrong. (I did that six months ago, in part because I wanted portability and long battery life, and I have been very happy. But I suspect that you are probably going to be looking at 13-15 inch machines, where you do want to be in the $600-800 price range, I suspect.)

Which one. It really doesn't matter -- or, rather, there are lots of good choices. Get a good brand, from a reputable supplier, preferably when they are having a serious sale. And given that you are in Saudi Arabia, the availablity of local warranty support may actually be the single most important consideration.

Put away the rest of the money. When this one dies, do the same thing. And if you keep in the $600 range -- which is VERY doable in the US -- you can do it another time as well. Figuring five years as a reasonable average life for a computer of this quality, you should be working away on a very nice machine into your 80s for your $2,000. I assure you, though, that if you spend it all on one now by your mid-70s you will be dissatisfied.

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Ad: jdonnellatduedu
Oct 15, 2010 6:29PM PDT

I consider your advice the most "handy" among the others reasonable comments. Regards,
Vaclav (67)

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I definitely agree about saving money for future upgrades.
Oct 15, 2010 11:35PM PDT

The poster suggesting spending around $600 now, and saving the rest for later, is right. You can go much farther this way, than you would buying a $2000 computer. This puts Apple pretty much out of the picture here. Great machines, but you have to spend about 2X to get similar performance in the PC world.

I would definitely recommend a desktop over a laptop if portability is not an issue. You will get a more responsive desktop, and a larger display, at this price range. Netbooks are neat, but I would not want to make one my primary computer. The display is too small for that.

You might also look at custom built machines. These are systems built by local shops, using stock cases, and other system components. While these machines do not bear familiar brand names like Dell or HP, they have the advantage of allowing the computer to be upgraded without replacing the entire unit.

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Final Computer
Oct 22, 2010 7:08AM PDT

Thanks for good practical advice. The more I read from contributors the more unsure I become but I have learned that maybe it is best not to spend my budget on just one computer and I now realise that it may well not be my last. Brian

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laptop
Oct 8, 2010 10:47AM PDT

i have gone to using laptops only. i do not like a desktop as they take up too much room and are too cumbersome to take in for repairs. i also do not like the fact you cannot move them from room to room. i have an ASUS "Republic of Gamers". i had my grandson remove the gaming partition and i have the whole computer for my photography. it has a lot of memory and will run my printers and anything else i choose to put on it without a problem. i did have a problem with it overheating. that was an easy fix. i put a chill pad under it and no longer have a problem. i think the chill pad for my particular size laptop was about 60.00 and worth every penny. there are smokers in our home as well as dogs and cats so i take my laptop twice per year for a squeaky clean for 30.00 and have absolutely no problems with it at all. i will never go back to the desktop with all the room they take up. this is my 4th laptop. the others are still going strong as i gave them to other family members. the oldest one is 10 years old.

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Mac
Oct 9, 2010 10:28PM PDT

Ive had an iMac for 3 1/2 years and have never had to take it in for" repairs", or buy any anti virus software. It may cost a little more than a pc, but you dont have to spend 30 min scanning and disc cleaning defraging etc to get the blasted thing to work. You may have to optimize the hard drive on occasion but its a small price to pay for always being able to use your computer.
I know i have had a lot less stress and said far fewer cuss words with my imac. I ll admit they arent perfect but they are a lot closer than pc.

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Perfection?
Oct 10, 2010 6:49AM PDT

I don't think any computer on the market is 'perfect' - but as I previously stated on my post about my laptop - the Toshibe Satellite Media Center Edition, which is actually 5 1/2 years old now, it has everything that Brian is looking for. I'm disabled, therefore am online quite a bit - and stuck on dial-up, so when I'm online, it's for an eternity. But, I can also take my pc into town and grab any wireless connection available.
I currently have over 450 pics on my pc at the moment,as where I live there is a lot of wildlife. I didn't have a clue how to do any touch-ups,make a movie,make slides,etc.-until I got this computer. It taught me thru the programs on it, and it was very easy.
My previous laptop was an HP, and it burned up. I also have 2 desktops. Wouldn't recommend those either. With a laptop, you have the option of sitting in your favorite chair in front of the tv, or going outside on the deck with it and watching the wildlife around you, or your grandchildren play, etc..
This computer actually has too much. More than I will ever use. That's ok. It has never had a single problem with it, ever. Someone posted that the batteries only last 2 years or so? Funny - mine is 5 1/2 years and going.
And, if you have need of either adding memory, you can double what it originally came with, or you can send some of your photos to a place such as Photobucket.com.
As for virus protection and such - I don't think I would trust a computer that didn't need it. That's just my own personal opinion. I love knowing what is protected, and who has attempted to hack into my computer. Maybe others don't care, but I do.
Hope you have a good time finding what you're looking for. Don't get frustrated, have fun. If you're not having fun doing it - then stop and take a deep breath and smile. Save the shopping for another day.

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(NT) Mac
Oct 15, 2010 4:25PM PDT
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One word... ASUS
Oct 15, 2010 12:09PM PDT

I also have an ASUS ...G51JX with a i7 processer. It's primary use is photo editing. I bought this instead of building another desktop and saved a bunch of money. No regrets at all, it handles anything I can throw at it just fine and does not have any over heating issues.

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About choosing Desk or lap?
Oct 8, 2010 10:53AM PDT

Absolutely no question about...Defently Desctop with a good graphic card and high CPY
Recommended for photo editing, Adobe Photoshop genuine!older version of course!
This my opinion, from my little experience...
And dont forget a good anivirus(like Kaspersky!)

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Laptop for sure
Oct 8, 2010 11:01AM PDT

I'm 66 and think that you should spend somewhere around $600, get a laptop and you will get a great computer and probably a new printer also. I have an HP that does about everything and I got it for under $700. I also have a Dell laptop that I've had for approximately six or seven years and it works fine. I keep it for my grandchildren who love some of the games that only work on XP. You probably have enough time left to buy 3 or 4 new computers:), just keep up with the updates on any computer you buy.

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Buying advice for my final computer:
Oct 8, 2010 11:02AM PDT

First of all 69 is not old. You will probably live through at least 2 more Windows updates.

Laptop or desktop?
That will depend on your mobility requirements. If you do not need to work away from home get a desktop, otherwise a laptop.

How much should you spend?
You can buy a good quality desktop or a laptop and photo printer for around a $1000. As previously mentioned ram ram ram. You can't have too much. Save the other $1000 for your next computer/upgrade or for specialized software. In 3 years quite a bit can change with computer hardware. When you are 75 your computer will be obsolete.

Important: Don't let some joker at Best Buy sell you what you do not need. Any decent computer will do what you want. Make sure you do research on the software you purchase. The price, functionality and ease of use varies tremendously.

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Additional
Oct 8, 2010 11:19AM PDT

Buy a name brand and an extended warrantee

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I would get a quad core i5 iMac!
Oct 8, 2010 11:14AM PDT

On Amazon.com, you can get it for $1,939, with no taxes and free 2 day shipping if you have Amazon Prime. I bought one a few months ago (from eBay, because Bing.com had a deal where you could save 8% off the price by searching for it on Bing.com). Anyhow, mine came with 3 year AppleCare, which can't be beat.

From what you described, it sounds like you don't really have a need to travel with it. I have a 17" MBP that I'm typing this on because I'm at a convention at the Gaylord National Hotel in Maryland, and my Quad Core i5 iMac is back at the office. However, I can access ALL of my files because I use Dropbox for cloud storage. That also means I can access them on my iPad and iPhone as well.

The 27" desktop quad core i5 iMac (all-in-one) will give you a beautiful display to edit videos and photos, and is a pleasure to use. if you can live with the 21.5" desktop model, you could actually cut the cost almost in half, and then use some of the savings to increase your RAM to at least 8GB which can be beneficial, especially if you're running multiple programs. AND, with the rest of the savings, you could buy the low end iPad ($499), and use that with Dropbox to show off all of your photos!

So I guess the recommendation I have for you is for you to really understand your needs - do you need the portability of a laptop? Or, what I truly believe would be the best for you, would be the 21.5" iMac, with 8GB and a $499 iPad. That way you can do all of your editing, etc., on your all-in-one desktop, and then show everything off on your iPad. Definitely, in my opinion, the best way to go for you. If you haven't tried an iPad, please try one before you make a decision.

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Falcon Northwest!!!
Oct 15, 2010 11:16AM PDT

Just buy a Falcon Northwest talon, about $1,400 a good 24" Monitor, the keyboard and speakers of your choice an you will be set for years no matter what you want to run.

My talon will run Lord of the Rings Online at speeds up to 250 fps.
And all my Adobe graphics software runs like a dream.

It will come with no bloat wear and with everything set up and ready to go after several day of rigorous testing.

I was the first to buy a FNW computer after years of going with the big brands Gateway, Dell etc. Now two of my friends have them and another one is about to come on board.

Best computer I have ever had!

And if you did have an issue (no one I know has) you will talk to a tech at their factory not in India.

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No brainer: get a Mac
Oct 8, 2010 11:15AM PDT

Brian,

This is a no brainer: get a MacBook Pro. You can either buy a 13" display one and buy an external HD monitor, all well within your budget.

A 17" one is not bad either but it is at $2200, somewhat over your specified amount.

Oh yes, I forget: get a Mac and then be happy for the rest of youf life.

Antonio

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Laptop AKA "Notebook" considerations
Oct 8, 2010 11:21AM PDT

Before you make a purchase for the long term, perhaps consider these things:

Laptop (Notebook) computers DO overheat *IF* the ventilation fails, gets clogged, etc. To disassemble and blow the dust from a laptop computer can be difficult and/or expensive. A desktop computer is simple......remove 1 cover, vacuum and/or blow out the dust, and put it back together.

Laptop computer batteries eventually die. In some cases a suitable replacement battery can not be found when you need it. Similarly, the small power converter (AC to DC) that most portable computers use can also die, and sometimes the connector that goes into the computer breaks. It can be very expensive to repair. The power converters go obsolete and can be difficult or impossible to replace.

Portable computers suffer from internal file storage failure more often than desktop computers. I base that statement on the number of each that come into the shop every week. The failures of portable computers outnumber the desktop computer failures by at least 10 to 1.

Because the internal disk can fail, ALWAYS MAKE BACKUPS! For your digital imaging storage, back up the files to CD/DVD and/or at least 2 external storage devices. So even if your computer suffers complete failure, your image files will not be lost.

Good luck with your purchase.