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Buy Time Coming Close - Ozos and John

by ames905 / April 2, 2005 4:29 AM PST

Hi, I wanted to start a new thread, b/c my thread has another dicussion in it (lol) and it's getting kinda crazy in there. I want to thank Ozos and John for the help, and here is what I am finally down to:
1) Personally building my own PC, which I am sorta hesitant about, unless I can get someone else to build it for me. So far Ozos, I have put together the list of itmes from you recommended me and they are the following:

-Lian Li Silver ATX Mid Tower Case, Model "PC-6077" Price: $120.50

-DFI "LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D" NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU -RETAIL Price: $139.99

-Antec 480 watt 120mm fan ATX 12V v2.0 power supply, Active PFC, Model "NeoPower" - Retail
Price: $129.00

-AMD Athlon 64 3800+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor, Socket 939 - Retail
Price: $372.99

-Maxtor 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model 7Y250M0, OEM Drive Only
Price: $137.50

-Thermalright Heatsink for P4 & K8 CPUs, All Copper Heatsink Only, Model XP-90C -RETAIL
Price: $70.99


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by ames905 / April 2, 2005 4:40 AM PST

Mother board is wrong: I actually have a question, which one should I get :
DFI "LANPARTY UT nF4 SLI-DR" NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU $184.00
DFI "LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR" NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU $215.00
what's the difference?

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Graphics Card
by damasta55r / April 2, 2005 5:10 AM PST

I would get dual eVGA 6800GTs for graphics card or 1 Asus 6800 Ultra. And for my motherboard, i would've picked Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI nForce 4 SLI Audio/GB-LAN/PCI-E/USB/IEEE/SATA/DDR/ATX-$182, but your is fine too. I also recommend you get Arctic SIlver Premium Photosynthetic SIlver Thermal Compound Arctic Silver 5-$14, ram: Kingston HyperX Series Dual Kits 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200-239, but you can get cheaper ram, Sony DRU-720A DVD+_RW-$95, Microsoft Windows XP Home w/Service Pack 2-$142, Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card-$89. I also assume you have a monitor, keyboard, speaker, and mouse. If not, i suggest a 19" CRT from newegg, logitech x-320 or something speakers, logitech X700 duo wireless keyboard and mouse.

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by ames905 / April 2, 2005 5:24 AM PST
In reply to: Graphics Card

THanks for the suggestions: how do your choices for graphics cards compare with the ones I just made:
2x Leadtek nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-Bit, HDTV-Out/ DVI, PCI-Express, Model "PX6800TDH-256MB" -RETAIL(SLI support) $297.00 each

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eVGA 6800GT
by damasta55r / April 2, 2005 5:57 AM PST
In reply to: Roger-

Faster core-350MHz compared to your 325MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/600MHz compared to 6800GT's 1000MHZ
Open GL=2.0 to your 6800 1.5
Also, the main difference is the ram, the 6800GT uses the faster GDDR3 RAM and the 6800 just used plain DDR. If you're going to spend that much, i would at least get GDDR3. For less your price, you can get a 6600GT, which i think provides better value than your card because it has GDDR3, however it only comes up to 128MB, but i don't think you really need the 256MB.
overall, the 6800 GT is probably faster, but its your money, i suggest checking out the 6600GT or get the eVGA 6800GT.

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OK now where did the "OC" version come in?
by ames905 / April 2, 2005 12:24 PM PST
In reply to: eVGA 6800GT

What is the BFG OC version? is that the best? and what is the 6800 nU mean? I couldnt find that in , I did a google search on nU and it says that it's the GT version

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by ames905 / April 2, 2005 1:01 PM PST

I have made my decision - I am going with Monarch, and here it is:
Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard and Wheel Mouse Optical USB/PS-2
Monarch Furia Custom Desktop with SLI
Case: 100605 - NO PS - Lian-Li PC-60 Aluminum
Power Supply: 100150 - PS 480W - Antec NEOPOWER480 ATX 2.0 Power
Case Fan: None
Motherboard: 110397 - Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI nForce 4 SLI Audio/
Processor: 12A422 - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 512K 90nm (939 Thermal Grease: 800018 - Shin-Etsu G675 Thermal Grease (Cools CPU
Heat Sink Fan: 130150 - Thermaltake A1772 AMD Recommended for Opt
Memory: 140509 - 1 GB DDR (2 pcs 512) PC-3200 (400) OCZ Go
2nd Memory: None
Hard Drive: 150520 - SATA - Maxtor (6Y120M0) 120 GB/7200-RPM/8
2nd Hard Drive: None
RAID Setup: None
RAID Controller: None
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM/CD-RW: 160855 - Combo - Lite-On SOHC-5232K 52x32x52X16 Co
Floppy Drive: None
More Storage: None
Sound Card: 180329 - Creative Audigy 2 ZS 24BIT/5.1/IEEE/MIDI/
Video Card: 190670-2 eVGA 6800 GT 256MB DDR3/PCI-E/TV-Out/Dual
Modem: None
Network Card: 280945 - Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet Card 10/100
Wireless Network Card: None
Add-On Card: None
Case Function Add-On: None
Round Cables: None
Operating System: 210112 - Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition w/SP2
Additional Software: None
Antivirus: None
Warranty: 800007 - 1 Year - Parts & Labor - Barebone (No Sof
Hot Rush: None - Standard Order ( ships within 8-13 business
Far Cry Promotion: 270846 - FREE Full DVD Version of Far Cry - 39.95
Napster Promotion: 270136 - FREE Napster Music Download for 4 Months
Half Life 2 Promotion: 27F854 - FREE Half Life 2 Full Version Coupon with
CD-RW Software: 210613 - Ahead Nero 6.3 Suite DVD+-RW Software (OE
DVD-ROM Software: 210601 - Cyberlink PowerDVD 5.0 (OEM)

Total: $2,064.98

Bada Bing Bada Boom

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by nerdyboy1234 / April 2, 2005 1:27 PM PST

i think ure getting ripped off.

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by John Robie / April 2, 2005 2:19 PM PST

Hi Ames, I'm just now reading your post. I see that you are going SLI with two video cards. My suggestion was to go with the Anthlon 64 3800 or 4000 Processor on a gaming computer, and Ozos indicated the 3800.. You have the 3200 processor indicated which IMO sort of defeats the purpose of two cards. IMO you should have the higher 3800 or 4000 processor if you are going with two cards.
If you went over these selections with Monarch, I'm surprised they would suggest the 3200 or did they.

Ozos will probably give his thoughts and I would hold off to also consider his.

I haven't ordered from Monarch yet, but will when it is time for my next computer.

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John and Nerdyboy...
by ames905 / April 3, 2005 3:28 AM PDT
In reply to: Ordering....

John! always thinking one step ahead...thanks man, I wish I had that advice earlier though - but you were right - I wanted to make sure my configuration was right so I called them up and asked about the 3800 and told me that I should upgrade to the 3800+ , so I haven't ordered it yet, but I was about to if there were no problems.
Nerdyboy: How do you figure? What are your reasons? I had already priced out a newegg computer with all the parts - and the only difference was a 3800+ processor, 100 mb of HD, and a dvd-r and the newegg computer was 100 dollars less...not enough to convince me to buy separate parts and put it together. So, I'm sorry, but if you can offer me any better suggestions, I am all ears....

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by John Robie / April 3, 2005 7:13 PM PDT
In reply to: John and Nerdyboy...

I was not able to answer your CNet email as you have not enabled the email in your CNet profile. It is best however, to discuss in the forums for everyone's benefit.

I believe it is wise of your decision to not go SLI & save a few $$. You could just use 1 video card with the SLI board, but from what I have read, the two card SLI setup hardly improves gaming where no one can really realize that much of a benefit. Tom's Hardware shows test of slight improvements, but not worth the $ IMO.
You can stay with that $189 SLI motherboard, but I would suggest one of these socket 939 PCI-Express boards and one GeForce 6800Ultra card:

110741 - ASUS A8v-E Deluxe K8T890.......$135 (installed)

110480 - MSI K8N Neo 4 Plainum..........$137 (Installed)

I would also continue with the AMD Athlon 64, 3800 (939) Processor.

As far as the Operating System. When WinXP came out Microsoft said the WinXP Home was designed for home use and gaming. The WinXP Pro was designed for business use, but like the Win2000 will also play games.
Many kid gamers think that anything "Pro" is what they should have, however I have noticed that many high end gamers use WinXP Home.

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Follow up.
by damasta55r / April 2, 2005 2:20 PM PST

I noticed you forgot a monitor and speakers so ill assume you already have those, the only things i don't agree with are the ram, me personally i would've gone with corsair if i had an unlimited budget, but im guessing you don't and as for the harddrive,i would have gone with western digital out of personal preference, but maxtor's great too, i currently have that on my pc. The computers a good value, my computer cost $200 cheaper than you, but i use intel and no sli. The only thing i question is why XP home, most gamers would go for the pro editon, because gamers like to have the best, i know. Good thinking on getting the AMD 64 3200+, that's the second lowest 939 processor, its comparable to 3.2GHz, i can understand that you don't want to get the best processor, because its too expensive and so you have money to upgrade later on. Also by overclocking, it you can get just as much performance as a 3800+, which is fast. Good PURCHASE!!! Have fun and i hope you don't encounter any trouble with the PC.

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Great help - Thanks
by ames905 / April 3, 2005 3:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Follow up.

Right now I am debating on what I want to do with the processor... I will have a decision by tonight though. Thanks again man.

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by nerdyboy1234 / April 3, 2005 5:43 AM PDT
In reply to: Great help - Thanks

i think just get a 3500+ processor. The 3800+ is only marginally better.

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To Damasta55r -
by ames905 / April 3, 2005 2:33 PM PDT
In reply to: Follow up.

you said "i don't agree with are the ram, me personally i would've gone with corsair if i had an unlimited budget" However, the ram I have selected is worth 245.00. All of the corsairs are cheaper than this except for the twinX10243200LL model, which is 272.00. Thus, I am confused by your comments regarding the budget constraints. I would like to hear your opinion on this...if you don't believe me, go to monarch systems and find out..and what is the difference between microsoft xp professional and home editions for gaming? I do not know... anyways, I have talked to some people today and they have managed to pursuade me to go the non-sli route , so I am buying from monarch, and I want to know what mobo you suggest for the athlon 64 3500+. THanks man!

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by damasta55r / April 4, 2005 11:55 AM PDT
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DDR (400) 3200 - 512 MB Corsair (CMX512-3200LLPRO) costs $156 for a single stick at monarch, combined to get 1 GB will cost over $300 and as john stated you don't need pro, i have both pro and home and i can't tell the difference and pro will probably be a waste and might even slow your computer down, no difference in gaming. Pro is for like accessing networks and stuff.
For a motherboard, i would get the BFG BFGRNVF4U NForce4 Ultra Audio/LAN/USB/PCI-E/SATA/DDR ATX-$154 OR DFI Lan Party UT NForce4 Ultra-D Audio/GB-LAN/IEEE/PCI-E/SATA/DDR ATX. For the graphics card, i agree with john i think to get the 6800 ultra if not sli, as for the brand, you choose, i would just choose eVGA again because its cheapest.

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Ok now I'm confused
by ames905 / April 4, 2005 2:04 PM PDT
In reply to: RE:

I didn't even go down the list to where it says that price for the 512. What I see is: 140803-DDR (400)3200 - 1 GB (2Pcs 512) Corsair (TwinX1024-3200C2PT) 168.00 , so what's this? Or do they enjoy confusing me...

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by damasta55r / April 4, 2005 3:32 PM PDT
In reply to: Ok now I'm confused

YOur ram is sold in pairs or is a kit so that's why is 2psc512, the other one is only sold singularly. I think the more expensive one is just more expensive.
You should really double check, triple check all your options before buying.

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by nerdyboy1234 / April 3, 2005 5:48 AM PDT

is the sound card really necessary? Unless ure hooking up a surround sound system or something to enhance gaming experience do u really need it?

if ure only using 2 plain speakers u dont need it.
Just buy a cheap sound blaster 24 bit sound card for around 20 bucks

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(NT) (NT) ur motherboard already has built in sound
by nerdyboy1234 / April 3, 2005 5:49 AM PDT
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Ripped off
by ames905 / April 3, 2005 12:02 PM PDT

you still haven't answered my question about getting ripped off in this deal.....

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Pay no mind to nerdyboy1234
by damasta55r / April 3, 2005 2:10 PM PDT
In reply to: Ripped off

He's my brother, since seeing me go on cnet, he decided to go to. He doesn't know much. He thinks any computer over $1000 is a rip-off, like mine. I think you're kind of getting ripped off because you spent an extra $29 on a case and you got an OEM processor, i would've just gotten the retail because i dislike OEM.

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by ames905 / April 3, 2005 2:35 PM PDT

haha, I feel like your brother actually though, considering I don't know anything either - I was about to buy an alien ware...but I hope you check out my response to your post in the other part of this discussion. Secondly I am confused with the OEM and retail stuff can you explain more.....

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by damasta55r / April 4, 2005 11:58 AM PDT
In reply to: Damasta

Well OEM is usually cheaper and doesn't come with manuals, software, etc. but still has warranty. Usually OEM is bulk from manufacturers and they may be a junk batch. Retail is one you see in store, comes with everything, and what most people try to get because they're guaranteed to be GOOD.

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My direct response
by ozos / April 3, 2005 2:59 PM PDT

saw my name, responded
here you go:

nU stands for Non-Ultra
i forgot most people try to find nU labled cards

a GeForce 6800 128MB such as this one:

is what i refer to as an nU
also called Vanilla (it's the plain version)

why is the XP-90 $70?

and to finish that system you need:

Operating System
CD/DVD Drive (or burner)
Floppy Disk (optional)
IDE or SATA Cables/power converters (SATA only, and the NeoPower should have SATA cables with it (check)

as to other stuff
soundcard (if you want, but it's not nearly as needed as even a floppy (which is only needed if you need a boot disk)

XFX, and Giga-byte are OEM builders
nVidia does not produce the actual cards, just the GPU chipsets

XFX and Giga-byte are high quality builders for gfx cards

here is a list of decent OEM builders:
Asus (good quality, but sometimes they don't deliver (ok, say you want a 6800GT, their cheaper model uses DDR1 at a lower speed instead of the correct GDDR3 at a higher speed, while it doesn't meet specificiation, it's not a crappy product)
Powercolor is usually pretty good
and ATI's OEM cards are good (ATI does build it's own cards, but Sapphire and Powercolor also build cards for ATI (Same with Asus)
PNY is also good

some compaines only produce for one gfx vendor (XFX is only for nVidia, Abit is only for ATI)

any other questions?

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Buy Time Coming Close
by jcrobso / April 5, 2005 5:53 AM PDT
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