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Built custom computer.. Machine Check Exception?

Apr 25, 2005 3:55AM PDT

Last January I built an Athlon 64 system with an MSI motherboard. I installed Windows XP Pro and the computer ran great for a couple months. But then suddenly it started to randomly generate Machine Check Exceptions on a blue, stop-like screen. It seems to be doing this more often, and it says it is hardware related but I am not convinced. I ran a test with MemTest, and it found no errors. So, I think Windows XP Pro is to blame. Is there anything I can do to fix this? I had not changed any hardware since building the computer in January.

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Actually a common problem.
Apr 25, 2005 4:07AM PDT
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Check...
Apr 25, 2005 5:05AM PDT

As Robert mentioned, some systems can degrade after usage either due to heat stress or devices that surcome to any stress. Cheap parts don't help either as well as a stuffed system. What that means, since most users don't "burn-in" a new system is to be surprised that after roughly 3mo. period some problem crops up. I can only suggest you at least run an AV scanner, as well as malware scanner from adware or hidden trojan attacks, just to eliminate that. If you haven't already use a firewall, AV pgm. malware checker, plus a good knowledge of what's already on the system, then proceed. There are alot of freebies out there and MS own Spyware scanner MS Beta can be gotten from them or google for it. Last, inspect that all fan(s) are running, not intermit or noisy. What does you mtrbd. monitor s/w say or bios report at boot-up if so enabled?

BTW, I always recommend a decent namebrand p/s unit of 400W+ or better. I personally use a generic 520W unit and by the wieght is hefty, replacing my own 360W unit of 2yrs. usage.

tada ------Willy Happy

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DEP
Jun 12, 2005 3:17AM PDT

Thanks for the replies. I used all name-brand quality parts. I am running a 480W Thermaltake power supply and my core CPU temp is 50* C. I run updated McAfee antivirus and that was installed since day one. I also do spyware scans with Ad-aware every week or so. Firewall I run a hardware one on the router I use as well as Zone Alarm.
I'll try playing around with the DEP settings, but I have also heard that some people have had problems with nVidia's IDE driver, so I might check that as well.

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I don't get it...
Jun 12, 2005 5:14AM PDT

What's with all this obsession with power supplies anyway?

My one year old computer uses a 3 years old 300 watt powersupply. 2.6Ghz Celeron, Radeon 9600, 2 harddrives, a CDRW and a DVDRW shares the same old powersupply. The specs isn't strong, but comeon! I brought a empty white tower case without powersupply because it's cheaper. Instead, stripped/salvaged the 300 watt one from my last computer case. As long as it connects, who cares! It's been running for a year, and seems to hold up fine. Not to mention almost 2 years on the old system.

Seriously, I've had no problems with powersupplies or even heard of any with such problems. Computers don't use nearly as much power as you'd think. If you're throwing out 300 watt powersupplies, I'd love to have them... ^_^

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For dagger.
Jun 12, 2005 5:27AM PDT

You'll have to visit service shops to see the bonepile. It's a common failure point.

Can I ask this? Are you in the repair business?

Bob

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^_^
Jun 12, 2005 6:17AM PDT

No, but I've been playing with computers since around 10 years old. 486s = the olden times... Weren't around long enough for the 386s... ^_^

Over the years, I've probably built at least 50 or so computers for various friends and relatives, and myself...

Dad once thought about setting up a PC outlet, but the rent on storefront was too expensive. It would've been fun, what a shame...

So yeah, nerdy nerd... nerdy nerdy nerd... BIG glasses... ^_____^

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PSU Issue
Jun 12, 2005 7:02AM PDT

I just had a system with a 350 watt suppy that was sending out 11.2V on the 12V leg and 4.1 on the 5.0V leg.
The system was crashing constantly. Swapped in a new PSU and all the problems stopped.
Just because you have not experienced a problem does not mean that problems with underpowered or old tired PSUs doesn't exist, they do.

Take a factory built Compaq 3400+ and it has a 300watt PSU. Don't even attempt to put a Game vidio card in. The one person I know that did without changing the PSU fried the PSU and the mainboard. It is not the total watts that matter the most, it is how they are distributed and how clean the power is.
Bob knows what he is talking about, you should try listening.

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20 year old colege kids know everything
Jun 12, 2005 6:05PM PDT

I've been there I know. hehe!

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I'm 18, and I know more than you do... -_-
Jun 12, 2005 6:19PM PDT

There is a difference between a working 300 watt power supply and a power supply with stability problems, you know...

My 300 watt power supply is more than 3 years old, salvaged from the last machine, and it works fine. The thing supports a 2.6Ghz processor, Radeon 9600 and two harddrives.

Computer power supplies are just any other power voltage converters. Wire coils inside are not connected directly. When a power supply fails, the circuit simply breaks. It just doesn't deliver full voltage to the computer. Any elementary school student should know this. I've had some power supplies failing. They just stay dead and deliver no power. Motherboards being fried is always due to outside electrical surges.

How can you not know this?

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Can I jump in here. . .
Jun 12, 2005 10:52PM PDT

Dagger, you don't know what you're talking about.

Power supplies provide voltage and current to the devices they power. Power from the power supply is DC. Each tap from the power supply has a specific voltage and current. Each tap is wired in parallel from the transformer (stepped down and rectified to DC and filtered from the AC input) output. This parallel output will supply a specific voltage to each tap, but the current splits in a DC circuit (AC exactly the same).

Example: Output - 12 VCD, 10 Amps. Supply 12VCD to two taps, current is split so that each tap now has 5 Amps available. Do some basic electricity learning, specifically Kirchof's Law on current and voltage in a parallel circuit.

Each component requires a specific voltage and current. As devices are added, the same voltage is supplied to each tap, but the current is further split until the required current for the device is no longer available.

Now.

If the power supply is limited to, say, 350 Watts (P=E x I), and the devices require more than 350 Watts, strange things start to happen. More current is drawn from the transformer than it is designed to handle. On the less spectacular side, the devices stop working. On the more spectacular side, you let the smoke out of the device or the power supply. You can see ''Smoke Defined'' at my site below.

Have you ever added the current draw from your components in your machine? If you haven't, you may be surprised.

As far as your description of the power supply, you need to go back to elementary school and take some training on transformers, rectifiers, and voltage regulators. If you over drive the transformer, the rectifier diodes can break down and allow full power to the output tap. The rectifier/regulator limits voltage and current to the tap. Blow up the limiter and guess what happens. Fried motherboard. ''Smoke Defined'' again.

You're eighteen? I've been doing electronics since 1967, and have taught people your age.

Good luck,

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Ooops, I left off an f. . .
Jun 12, 2005 11:05PM PDT
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Thanks Coryphaeus
Jun 12, 2005 11:09PM PDT

I just learned a lot from your post and hopefully Dagger did also, but then again, 18 is about the time when one knows it all!!

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Well. . .
Jun 13, 2005 12:33AM PDT

I do know a thing or two about transformers, rectifiers, AC, DC and such, I taught it for years. His statements that the transformer/power supply wouldn't fry a board was just wrong. And a little (well, maybe a lot) about data, and fiber optics.

Maybe he'll do a little research and learning.

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(NT) (NT) well said
Jun 13, 2005 2:05PM PDT
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wow! my son knows a LOT less than you
Jun 12, 2005 11:07PM PDT

and he's 29....
yet he still knows how to say "dad, how do i........?"

i'm 30 years older than him, and yet i still know how to say (when it's neccessary) "son, i don't know, i'll go ask........"

and, if by chance, i ask on a Cnet forum, i hope i don't get some jack-*** spouting rubbish and coming across as the be-all and end-all of computer savvy!!


you have a LOT to learn dagger.....


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(NT) (NT) Well Stated!
Jun 12, 2005 11:56PM PDT
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Can someone ban this troll
Jun 13, 2005 1:29AM PDT

I can't tell if he's a moron posing as someone with any experience/advice to offer, or if he's just a schmuck who thinks that offering up illiterate and incorrect banter is contributing anything to this forum.

Dagger, feel free to leave if you're here to troll.

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Dagger's posts in this discussion will be deleted.
Jun 13, 2005 1:55AM PDT

The member is not contributing so I'll clean up after them.

Bob

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Don't delete him. . .
Jun 13, 2005 2:03AM PDT

Maybe he'll learn.

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Whatever...
Jun 13, 2005 2:11AM PDT

Fine. This will be my last post on this topic. But do realize that the origional problem mentioned can be due to any number of hardware problems. Chances of it being in the power supply is small no matter what you say. You should know this already. I just feel sorry for someone who'll probably be forced to spending money on an extra powersupply for nothing. This seems to be your goals here.

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you can hate all you want
Jun 13, 2005 1:45AM PDT

but what you call "arrogance" i call "trying to help by giving advice based on personal experience" -read, what worked for me, on my machine-

i don't think you will find many (if any) posts by me that say "do this and your problem will be solved"

you on the other hand............

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Arrogant?
Jun 13, 2005 1:46AM PDT

You're the one who made false statements based on your ''years of experience''. Your statement about a power supply is just plain wrong. Live with it. Deal with it. Do a little research and learn. Get an education on electronics before you start spouting incorrect information. And just for grins, your opinions on firewalls are wrong too.

Arrogant? No. Informed and educated.

Wayne

BTW, this will be my last post in this thread. If you don't settle down, it will be yours too.

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(NT) (NT) ok,sure you do your a legend in your own mind
Jun 13, 2005 2:04PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Also run Diagnostic on Hard drive
Jun 13, 2005 12:42AM PDT
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For Th3Franz
Jun 13, 2005 12:08AM PDT

Sorry for the posts that are not helping. Just reply to those that want to help you out and ignore the others.

Bob

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yes and I apoligize.
Jun 13, 2005 2:10PM PDT

I should no better then to argue with a 18 year old. It doesn't help. Thanks for the reminder Bob.

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I'm also having the same issues
Jan 11, 2010 2:08AM PST

I purchased my computer in name brand pieces parts which include:

Processor: Intel 17 920 2.66 GHz
Ram: Patriot Viper 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 memory kit PVT36G1600ELK
Video: NVidia GeForce GTX 975 896MB
Motherboard: ASUS P6T
Hard Drives (2): Seagate SATA 1TB

The check exception started a few days after I put the system together. I searched all over the net and found a document that talked about RAM frequencies, temperatures and other factors and how to properly set those in BIOS to help prevent the machine check exception. However, my many tests and core freq changes have not made the problem go away. I was hoping by now that someone else may have ended up with the same problem with the same hardware (mb, ram and proc at least) but so far I don't see anything. I'm not even sure which manufacturer I would contact regarding this problem (the mb, proc or ram manufacturer). It's frustrating to say the least. I can get about three days out of the computer before it crashes into the machine check exception bsod. I know this problem has NOTHING to do with antivirus or any other software and I don't think my copy of xp pro x64 is to blame. I'll run memtest to make sure the ram is functioning correctly but I'm not so sure that is the problem either. Maybe someone else is running into the same problems with the same hardware? Speak up please!