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Bottled water - pollution source

Jul 9, 2007 10:49PM PDT

It seems a grassroots effort to return to "tap water" or reduction of bottled water is under way. The bottled water empties cause pollution and all that. Restaurants and even fire fighters are being asked or offering choices besides bottled water to help reduce this pollution. It seems 4 of 5 empty bottles don't get recycled. Here's the story...
http://www.yahoo.com/s/623237 (video source) -----Willy

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I never buy it
Jul 10, 2007 12:30AM PDT

but will refill and use a container over and over if one is offered somewhere. Somethings are just so obvious. As well, the ruckus about excessive packaging seems to be gone and that problems appears to have worsened as well. I suppose there is good reason to drink water only from certain sources. We have plenty of proof of that. Why, just look back at our cave man ancestors who lapped it from any nearby watering hole. Look what happened to them. They're all dead. Wink

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I use tap water
Jul 10, 2007 12:07PM PDT

I'm guilty of buying bottled water from time to time if only to quench my thirst while driving. As for the home, I use tap water from our store as my home well water is just awful. I'm using the home tap water only for cooking and bathing. The store tap water is for drinking and coffee(it makes a difference, IMHO).

As for the cave man, well they didn't have the ducats to buy any bottled water. Wink -----Willy

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re: Pollution from bottles
Jul 10, 2007 12:56AM PDT

Some water companies such as Biota bottle their water in biodegradable bottles made from corn based polymers. Check out the time lapse video on this page from their web site. It's the small window on the right hand side of the page.

http://www.biotaspringwater.com/bottle

I don't ever buy water for home use but I will get a case of bottles to leave in the car or take in a lunch bag. Long time ago a friend sold water filters the size of a small thermos that attached to the kitchen sink by a hose with a diversion valve. I bought one from her... mostly just because she was a friend selling something. Happy

My understanding is that the oceans are massively polluted with plastic that has been ripped apart by natural mechanical forces into microscopic particles that will never get much smaller or actually degrade any further through biological means. The danger I guess, is the non-edible bulk it adds to the food chain. It gets swept up by the larger algae eaters and can create irritations in their filtering systems that can later allow diseases a foothold that otherwise may never have been a concern. Same old story of just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not harmful.

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BTW... the one thing that kills me about some bottled...
Jul 10, 2007 1:01AM PDT

... water brands is that they are nothing but tap water. I believe it is Desani which is bottled by Coca-cola that uses straight from the tap municipal water from many large cities. They filter it, and add a few minerals and send it straight to our stores.

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I remember a story about a fancy restaurant
Jul 10, 2007 5:32AM PDT

That had on their menu, bottled water. It was bottled, alright, but they were already opened before they got to the guests. What happened was they were just using tap water. Some patrons got suspicious, and the jig was up.

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We'd have to look at the conditions necessary
Jul 10, 2007 1:18AM PDT

to cause the product to decompose. Those include high heat, micro-organisms, and high moisture. These come from somewhere and pose their own questions. Compost piles produce their own heat which accelerates decomposition. It sounds as if these bottles need an external source to properly break down. Where will that come from? Are the micro-organisms naturally occurring and safe? That's not answered. And the moisture? How much? And it's made from corn. What or who would otherwise be eating or using the corn if it wasn't being made into bottles?

I'm not automatically downplaying the idea. It comes off as being reasonable. But, for one thing to get clean, another must get dirty. We need to be aware of that as well.

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Also,
Jul 10, 2007 1:46AM PDT

what is breaking down, the corn or the plastic? Will that just make lots of "what we can't see" but is still bits of plastic?

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Good question.
Jul 10, 2007 1:50AM PDT

I'm assuming the plastic is completely broke down but that fact is never made clear in this advert.

Another thing that comes to mind is do these bottles have a shelf life? Filled with water, will the bottle sit on a shelf for years or will the water itself cause a break down, even without bacteria involved?

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I ask because
Jul 10, 2007 1:53AM PDT

several years ago there were trashbags made with cornstarch and labeled as "biodegradable", but, all you ended up with was little bits, not actually degrading

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(NT) I remember them.
Jul 10, 2007 2:04AM PDT
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Not only the bottles...
Jul 10, 2007 1:04AM PDT

but the transportation of it. Why transport it when you have it in your tap? Fill an old bottle using a brita filter or whatever and use that! Easier and cheaper IMO.

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Because,
Jul 10, 2007 1:14AM PDT

the used bottles are not made to be reused

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Your comment made me think about what would...
Jul 10, 2007 1:46AM PDT

... need to be done to make the bottle reusable. I see warnings periodically on the web, at yahoo and other places, not to reuse water bottles but they don't mention the reason why. Obviously, it is simply because most folk are too oblivious to the fact they need to wash the darn things. My grand dad knew a local RC Cola bottler back in the 60's I delighted in going through this fellow's plant where the returnable bottles went along clinking conveyor belt, through cleaning baths and steam baths and then on to be refilled and capped - Makes me also think of the fingers I could have lost there Wink. Obviously you can't steam clean a plastic bottle... but a water bath with a few drops of clorox would do the trick.


This also made me think of how people wash their dishes at home. Back in my college days I worked in restaurants to make ends meet. I often washed dishes and what didn't go through the automatic wash ended up in a sink waiting to be cleaned. A three tub sink was employed. One side had soapy water. One had a clorox bath. One was clean rinse water. I think we used less water than many people use at home just because I have seen folks at home turn on the spigot for rinsing and leave it on for extended amounts of time.

This made me curious. How many folk here try to be conscious of how much water they use for washing dishes, washing clothes, cars, the dog, etc?

grim

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For just the three of us,
Jul 10, 2007 3:13AM PDT

I can do a days worth of dishes with just 1 sink full of water.

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Or plastic from feathers
Jul 10, 2007 5:37AM PDT

as I mentioned previously would be biodegradable. Happy

Only thing is, I'm not all that sure if there are enough feathers for that much plastic.

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(NT) Plenty of flying rats here in NYC!!!
Jul 10, 2007 6:06AM PDT
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The easy answer is
Jul 10, 2007 2:02AM PDT

to require a deposit on each bottle.