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Boot up problem.

May 16, 2004 10:08AM PDT

I'm not sure if this is an OS problem or not. This has to do with me not being able to boot my Win XP Pro drive without a drive connected to the primary slave connector. I am running:

Motherboard: DFI Lanparty KT400A
Processor: AMD XP 3000+
Master HDD: Maxtor 80GB 7200 8MB
Slave HDD: Maxtor 15GB

If I disconnect the 15GB drive, the system will not boot. But when I reconnect it, the system boots and is very stable. Linix was installed on the smaller drive, but the master was disconnected at the time, and itwas never run while the master was connected. Now somwhow, the master requires the slave to be connected or my POST will say there is a non system disk in the drive. Reconnect the slave, and all boots just fine. How can I get this master drive to boot without the slave being connected? I have tried everything I know, from jumpers, to BIOS updates, to trying other drives, to reinstalling XP. Nothing works so far. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

~Dave

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Tell about the jumpers...
May 16, 2004 10:13AM PDT

Please tell the model number of the 80GB drive and how you have the jumpers.

Bob

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Re:Tell about the jumpers...
May 16, 2004 10:41AM PDT

DiamondMax Plus 9. I tried jumpers on Master/Slace, and also on Cable Select.No difference in results.

~Dave

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Model numbers are likely to be...
May 16, 2004 11:00AM PDT

6Y080L0, 6Y080P0 or 6Y080M0

With 80 conductor cables, the only proper setting is (Cable Select)

"The jumper over the J48 position is configuring the drive for Cable Select."
- Maxtor

You would place it on the connector marked master.

Bob

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Re:Model numbers are likely to be...
May 16, 2004 11:07AM PDT

Ok, thanks. The number I found is:
6Y080P0422211

Yes. I tried the jumpers on CS and also on the Masrer/Slave as you say. There was no difference in either configuration. The Master still had to have the slave connected in order to boor.

~Dave

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Gotta ask.
May 16, 2004 11:15AM PDT

You didn't reveal if you fitted a new 80 conductor IDE cable...

Bob

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Re:Gotta ask.
May 16, 2004 11:17AM PDT

Oh, sorry. Yes, they are the new round UV-reactive 80 conductor cables that come with the Lanparty board. The System/Master/Slave plugs are all marked.

~Dave

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Try old flat 80 conductor cables and...
May 16, 2004 11:23AM PDT

Is the BIOS the latest?

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Re:Re:Gotta ask.
May 16, 2004 11:29AM PDT

I already tried old flat 80 conductor cables. No joy.
And I have verified the latest BIOS: 6/23/2003.

I'm thinking that a file identifying the XP drive as a system disk got transfered to the Linux drive, and now requires that drive to be connected to find the needed file. But somehow the Linux drive is now un-bootable altogether, so I have no access to anything on it. But as it stands now, the XP drive is not recognized as a system disk without the other drive connected as the slave. I'm going crazy.

~Dave

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The last item is this...
May 16, 2004 11:35AM PDT

Given the BIOS does see the drive in it's detection screen, but just flunks out with a no-os type message, and you want it to run XP, then I would do the following.

Boot the XP CD and get to the Recovery Console.

The commands FIXMBR would be used, and the boot retried. Next, the FIXBOOT would be used and the boot retried.

Bob

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Re:Boot up problem.
May 16, 2004 12:29PM PDT

I used the Recovery Console as you described, and there was no change. I'm in the process now of seeing if XP setup can repair the installation. Thanks for all you were trying to do in helping me.

~Dave

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Update:
May 16, 2004 1:21PM PDT

Ok, nothing has worked. I had to reconnect the slave drive to even get the XP CD to recognize that there was a Windows installation on my primary hdd. So I went through the entire 39 minute process of letting Windows Setup "repair" my installation. So I completed that process and then, after sucessfully booting into XP with all my old settings, I shut down and disconnected my slave drive. Then I attempted a boot with only my XP hdd connected. This is the error I got:

BOOT DISK FAILURE. INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER.

It looks like my system is to be forever tied to this primary slave drive for reasons I cannot begin to comprehend. If you have any other suggestions, I'd be greatful to hear them.

Thanks again,

~Dave

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One BIOS setting that gets you everytime...
May 16, 2004 8:20PM PDT

Don't panic yet. The "No OS" and "Boot disk failure", while sound ominous, but still could be a simple BIOS setting that is thwarting our attempts to fix the MBR.

When dealing with boot sector issues and rewriting same, the BIOS Virus Protection must be disabled.

Bob

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Re:One BIOS setting that gets you everytime...
May 16, 2004 10:11PM PDT

I just checked. The virus warning in the BIOS is Disabled.

~Dave

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Warning is one thing, protection is another.
May 16, 2004 10:24PM PDT

There's no standard here, so I wonder if there's another entry in the BIOS that noted "protection."

Since the BIOS detects the hard disk, the whole discussion now reads like the MBR isn't proper.

OR the other drive is/was the boot drive and you are trying to move what boots. Some BIOS allowed the other drive to be the boot drive or to swap master/slave and so on.

Somethings fishy. Either the HD is protected by the BIOS as to the MBR or you have to use an Windows 98 boot diskette and FDISK /MBR that drive to really make it bootable as well as make sure the partition is "Active."

Bob

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Re:Warning is one thing, protection is another.
May 16, 2004 10:34PM PDT

"Somethings fishy. Either the HD is protected by the BIOS as to the MBR or you have to use an Windows 98 boot diskette and FDISK /MBR that drive to really make it bootable as well as make sure the partition is "Active."
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I forgot to say that I'm using NTFS. I don't know if that makes a difference or not. Can I still fdisk /mbr given this information?

~Dave

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Microsoft showing use of FDISK /MBR in XP at this link.
May 17, 2004 1:33AM PDT
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Re:Re:Warning is one thing, protection is another.
May 17, 2004 1:48AM PDT

"NOTE: The following procedure is not supported by Microsoft and is performed strictly at the discretion of the user. Microsoft assumes no liability for lost or corrupted data. This procedure should be performed only as a last resort"
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Do I run this on both drives, or just the XP drive?

And does the above note mean that The XP drive will become unbootable after the MBR is reset?

And there is no comment on whether this applies to a NTFS XP Pro system.

Could you clear this up for me please?

~Dave

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Aw, heck...
May 17, 2004 2:22AM PDT

I just went ahead and tried it. The fdisk /mbr seems to have worked. Thank you very much for all the help. I really appreciate it.

~Dave

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Always more fun the first time around.
May 17, 2004 2:52AM PDT

There were other articles about this, but this one noted LILO, FDISK /MBR and XP. NTFS is a non-issue since the work is being done on the MBR and not the file system.

Bob