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Book: "Invasion" by Michelle Malkin

Apr 24, 2006 4:56AM PDT

After someone posted a link to her site, a book caught my eye -- Invasion.

It didn't take long for it to affect the way I thought about illegals. Though I had previously considered the amnesty for illegals due to the impracticality of sending them all back, I soon changed my mind. We have a de facto amnesty program, now. The 'catch and release' program should be abandoned. The INS needs to be disbanded or taken over by the FBI. The Congress and the Senate needs to quit listening to the lobbies (and there are a lot of powerful lobbies!!!) who are interested more in money and efficiency than in security. And, needless to say, my position is opposed to Bush's idea of amnesty; I think he is mistaken.

Malkin has named names, quoted quotes, and documented a lot of bad things. We have captured and set free known killers, many times. This is not acceptable, especially since 9/11. Mexicans aren't the only ones crossing the borders.

I think someone made this point: Who knows how many illegals are in this country? Nobody. "They" throw up an arbitrary figure based upon thin air for all I know which could be far less than the actual number. How many of those are criminals? Nobody knows that, either...well, aside from the fact that they are all criminals by the very fact that they are here illegally with the help of Americans who are supposed to be in charge of keeping them out.

I am more disgusted now than I've ever been, and I've only read a 100+ pages of the book.

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If socialism were the answer ...
Apr 24, 2006 11:21AM PDT

... they wouldn't need help from capitalists. After all, Venezuela has no shortage of marketable resources.

Why not move there? Surely you could do more for poor Venezuelans living there rather than getting tax cuts in the USA!

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Please dear lady
Apr 24, 2006 11:31AM PDT

No country survives on its own. Every single country needs some kind of business partners and cooperation in order to success. Isolation doesn't lead to anything good unless the intention is to destroy. But then again, you knew that already, right?

Oh, while on it. Is there any Socialist country that has recieved "help" from another Capitalist?

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Yep,
Apr 25, 2006 7:24AM PDT

England, Canada, Germany, France, etc

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I thought some of these countries
Apr 25, 2006 7:27AM PDT

were considered Socialists by the reactionaries here.

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The 'wall' should be on the "inside"
Apr 24, 2006 6:17AM PDT

(as in not physical) and not a single or double wall on the outside. Besides, that (border walls) is too narrow an approach. We have Canadian borders, Mexican borders, airport borders, port borders, railway borders, and so forth. Our visa system is broken and needs to be fixed. People coming in are rubber stamped without regard to papers they are carrying (or NOT carrying).

I haven't seen anything yet she has said regarding physical walls. So far, she has been quoting people on both sides of the aisle not just the left or the right. And, she is the daughter of parents who immigrated legally at more than a little sacrifice. I see her as being very patriotic and wants to do what is right.

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You must have felt sad
Apr 24, 2006 11:01AM PDT

the day they took the Berlin wall.

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Not that kind of wall
Apr 24, 2006 11:10AM PDT

I was thinking metaphorically of the walls created by law. Since our immigration laws are not being enforcedd, we need to fix them. Not only that, but we need to creat a few new ones.

One of those 'new' ones would need an ammendment to the Constitution which would modify how people become citizens, here. I don't want women illegally crossing the border and going to a hospital just so her kid will automatically become a citizen. We need to draw a line, somewhere. Even people who come here legally on some kind of visa need to be restricted in that way. But, as it is, everybody who wants to come in, can come in, no matter what kind of papers they have -- even if they are not correct or obviously forged. Some places, they can actually get a drivers license without raising any eyebrows.

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Huge difference ...
Apr 24, 2006 11:16AM PDT

... between a wall to keep people in vs. one to keep people out of a sovereign nation. But you knew that, right?

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BS ...
Apr 24, 2006 9:09AM PDT

... she's no party hack. At a minimum, half of her columns are critical of this Administration! YOU are the one that needs to read before judging.

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The problem is
Apr 24, 2006 6:28AM PDT

that the INS has little power to do anything to illegals once they enter the country. They rely upon local law enforcement for jails (which are usually already full, and do not have the manpower or resources to return them all to their native country. Add to the mix a country like Mexico that encourages their citizens to emigrate illegally, and the INS is fighting a losing battle.

My suggestion? Open large prison camps for illegal immigrants, round them up, and when you have enough, ship them back in large quantities. A large wall that "discourages" people to climb over it with guarded crossings would stem the tide of illegals. Put a few sensors on this side of the wall to catch those who do successfully cross so that helicopters can track them down.

Finally, adopt a policy that effectively tells illegals we don't care about their stupidity if they decide to cross. We won't weep for them if they die in the desert.

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The INS has more authority than they use
Apr 24, 2006 6:47AM PDT

Because they consistently do less than they could. My impression is that they do not use the Ident system, with the exception of a few who actually feel like they should do the right thing and take a littel initiative.


But you are right, they don't have enough manpower.

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Please correct me..
Apr 24, 2006 7:06AM PDT

The area called Groom Lake in Nevada has a fence and no trespassing signs. Think I saw, not in person, on those signs that said something like "Use of deadly force authorized." Americans can't go there, on U.S. land but something like that probably wouldn't work on the border.

Tom

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Can you imagine
Apr 24, 2006 8:16AM PDT

the media and "public" response if border guards shot an illegal immigrant, even if the immigrant failed to follow the guards' directions? There would be protests even if the immigrant was holding a rifle.

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I remember seeing a news item on TV
Apr 24, 2006 10:11AM PDT

About a park bordered by Mexico where drug smugglers had set up a kind of base. I think they were mostly growing marijuana. But they were guarded by men in camouflage
with what looked like automatic weapons.

Curiously, I haven't seen anything about it, since. But that's when I wrote my Congressman and Senator, suggesting we create a special forces branch of the national guard, if they don't have one already, for situations like that.