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***** popping out... What's the big deal?

Feb 2, 2004 9:43AM PST

I don't understand the big thing with Janet Jackson's boob "popping" out. They keep talking about it here as a big scandal because it was a family event. What is the big deal with a human body? Are people denying God's creation? I mean, I think it was stupid to do what she did, but not for the fact that a bunch of kids were able to see a boob, but because it was clearly to provoke Justin's ex-girlfriend, Britney Spears and to outdo her tongue kiss with Madonna which I find extremely childish and immature.

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Frankly, I think the stock market is pretty amoral. What's your point? (NT)
Feb 2, 2004 11:13PM PST

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Since you seem...
Feb 2, 2004 11:19PM PST

to be one of the many supporters of Capitalism and thus the stock market, I was curious about your stand on those companies being allowed to the NASDAQ.
It should also be said that Bert Milton, the owner of Private, can't ever enter the Swedish stock market due to his "product" despite being Swedish...

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nt- What's his product?
Feb 2, 2004 11:26PM PST

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The answer is...
Feb 2, 2004 11:34PM PST
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Re:The answer is...
Feb 3, 2004 12:10AM PST

What's the big deal? They can't list on the marked because they sell adult entertainment?

Dan

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Are you suggesting the stock market should have a moral code for listed companies?
Feb 3, 2004 2:43AM PST

Perhaps it should, but I don't think the large majority of people would favor it in this case. I don't think all aspects of morality can be forced on people, particularly where there is no broad consensus on the morality.

People can refuse the buy the stock, and thus forego the opportunity for immoral profit.

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Well said, so why
Feb 3, 2004 10:03PM PST

are you so hung up about the incident at the Superbowl?

Ian

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Let's say it was you whipping your willy out...
Feb 4, 2004 9:12AM PST

...in a 4-5 foot wide alley one night between the 7-11 and the Western Auto store to empty your bladder, and a cop walks by about that time, glances down the alley and sees you taking a whiz, do you think he's going to walk on by or haul you in for indecent exposure? Most likely he's just going to shake his head and walk on.

Let's say instead you decide to go over the busiest intersection in town right at rush hour, get in the middle like some flower salesman or beggar, then whip your willy out and start to take a whiz right in the middle of the street? Same cop happens to be sitting in the line of traffic and sees it all happen. What you think he's going to do now?

Location, Location, Location.

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well said, James, however
Feb 4, 2004 9:52PM PST

she didn't expose her pudenda, just a breast,

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though I dodn't see the display and its unlikely it'll ever be replayed,

everything I've read about it does not suggest she did anything more than music videos do.

My kids watch Nickleodeon on satellite: the kid's channel, same here as in USA. Overt sex and advertisements for MA15 (that is, no kids under 15 even if mom and dad are there) shows appear regularly on that channel.

I really doubt anyone involved in the planning of that event even now comprehends the reaction that has taken place, as what they appear from my reading to have done was happening 40 years ago in "As the world turns" which I eagerly awaited appearing on TV when I was home sick from school and Mom was at the shops.

Ian

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Re:though I dodn't see the display
Feb 4, 2004 11:00PM PST

and this #everything I've read about it does not suggest she did anything more than music videos do# say it all ian.....

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nt) You are implying otherwise. Explicate, or at least explain .
Feb 5, 2004 9:46PM PST

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Re:at least explain .
Feb 5, 2004 10:10PM PST

*sigh*

your whole tirade and twisting of what people say, your reaction is based on something you didn't see?

you didn't see the "inyourfacemofogonna****youb*tch" performance?

you din't see the "cmereb*tchyouknowyoulikeitrough" part?

you didn't see the "tallwhitemaleshowingblackwomanexactlywhathethinksofher" bit?

maybe your kids will tell you all about it.......

btw, the **** are mine, filter doesnt work on long words

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Re: forced morality.
Feb 6, 2004 12:29PM PST

Hi, KP.

>>I don't think all aspects of morality can be forced on people, particularly where there is no broad consensus on the morality.<<
Hey, for once we agree (where are Ed's pigs? Happy ) So why aren't you pro-choice on abortion (which, unlike the anti-abortion rhetoric, is entirely different from being pro-abortion). There is no broad consensus on when life begins, or which abortions should or should not be permitted.

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What makes you think I'm not...up to a point?
Feb 6, 2004 1:12PM PST

As I've said before, I see no magic in a passage down the birth canal. A late term abortion is clearly murder, it is not a matter of consensus.

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,yep, them and all hair care product companies, perfume companies,
Feb 3, 2004 9:58PM PST

brassiere companies, sanitary napkin companies, clothing companies, movie producers, TV producers, etc etc etc.

What universe have you lived in prior to this incident, that it is such a shock and horror?

Ian

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Yes, and at bath time...
Feb 2, 2004 12:10PM PST

...anyone under 5 or 6 boy and girls together were run into a tub of water and all scrubbed down together. It was a different time. In today's world, everyone and everything is constantly being "sexualized" and the innocence of those earlier years have been corrupted.

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NT - Who's fault is that?
Feb 2, 2004 12:18PM PST

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That's pretty much what I think too...
Feb 2, 2004 12:13PM PST

And in Northern and Central Europe (I think even in Southern Europe) women still breast feed their babies in public if necessary. It's not that they decide to go out in order to do it, but if they're out and the baby needs to be fed, they do it and there is no mistery about it.

Maybe it was a mistake from me to call it "Pop out" since that was not the case.

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OK, let me put it this way...
Feb 2, 2004 2:48PM PST

Since the discussion has become a little extreme with comparisons of flashing men at schools and pornography and others, let me ask the question that I really wanted to ask.

Do you think that it would be OK to show a couple making love (no details but probably the breasts or a butt) on a show like CSI or Law and Order? That's what I am talking about. They always blurr the breasts or the butt on the shows on the regular network and I don't see th reason why? I mean, who will be offended by God's creation? Pornography is something that should be out of this discussion since it belongs to a whole other industry, but to show a butt or a breast... In what way could it be damaging to a kid?

To flash in front of a school is obviously something that we could relate to child abuse/rape, but if an actor shows his butt or her breats, what damage could that possibly imply? What I want to ask you all is if nudity damage the future of a child. Why is nudity so tabu?

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You're wasting your time, Charlie.
Feb 2, 2004 5:50PM PST

Those whose minds don't associate sex with sin don't care, those who do care will endlessly tell you it was wrong.

Ian

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And you are probably darn right!
Feb 2, 2004 6:22PM PST

But I still think it is a legitimate issue to discuss if it is being iscussed, that is... Wink

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Re:i think the question you ''should'' be asking (yourself btw, not us)
Feb 2, 2004 6:45PM PST

is, do you think of CSI or law and order or NYPD as "family viewing"?
(and btw, i think partial nudity has already been included in NYPD)

my personal opinion?...as far as i know, the super bowl IS considered as family viewing, and therefore crotch grabbin *** poppin activity is a 'no no'....

and as for all the weirdos who say "so a breast feeding woman is considered immoral/corrupting?" as part of their argument....all i can say is "get a life!"

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Family viewing
Feb 2, 2004 8:04PM PST

I really like "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel".

In OZ, they are PG 15. I don't know what they are elsewhere.

In my researching the shows and their production on the Internet, I found that a high proportion of the viewership was under the age of 8. Making the words comprehensible to eastern USA children was an essential factor in generating sufficient income.

(No links - I was just curious about the production side, and read a few hundred sites identified from Google two/three weeks ago)

AFAIR Buffy and Angel do not show *****, ***** or pricks, however it does clearly show murder, death in many forms, sexual activity, love, hate, depression and death.

I think all those issues are a little more serious, don't you?

BTW - before someone says, BUT, this was a family show, once again, can anyone here honestly claim they know what show their child is watching when the parent is not in the room? I said, HONESTLY!

This afternoon, Sue and I watched a movie on our satellite channel 39. It was shown at the time that pre-schoolers are brought home from school. If every parent who brought their kid home at that time stated they knew their child did not watch that movie, I'd say at least 5% are lieing. The movie included bare bums (male and female), bare breasts, very active sex without the pornographic closeups.

USA has many thousands more cable channels than we do.

I think this storm in a tea cup is more a demonstration of "my way or the highway" than any justifiable ethical evaluation.

Ian

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I am not sure but...
Feb 2, 2004 8:31PM PST

if I recall correctly, they had some kind of Air Force exhibition before the game. Apparently showing military exhibition is more acceptable than showing God's creation...

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Re:enough of the b/s charley
Feb 2, 2004 8:36PM PST

there is NO discussion here about "gods creation"... the only one who seems to have a thing about that is you....

the question is "was her *** in the right place at the right time?"

if you think it was, go for it.....

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nt- Go ahead, Jonah, 'breast' isn't a dirty word.
Feb 2, 2004 10:33PM PST

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Re:breast' isn't a dirty word.
Feb 2, 2004 11:07PM PST

true Dan, but according to cnet filters t!t is Sad

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Linguistic limitations....
Feb 2, 2004 11:09PM PST

And why do you feel you have to use that word instead of breast(s)?

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It is not OK, but the shows are clearly trying to push the envelope.
Feb 2, 2004 11:56PM PST

The rules are basically meant to protect kids who are being 'sexualized' far too early already. Some kids, my daughter is in this group, are threatened by displays of this sort. They are simply not ready to handle them. Other kids are interested, and early exposure may lead to obsessive behaviour. Thus, the FCC bans such material when kids are likely to be watching, and parents become very upset when the ban is violated.

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It's a cultural issue!
Feb 2, 2004 7:56PM PST

While I by no means want to equate this boob event with Charlie's "sex in the cafeteria" - considering that this stunt was pulled in the U.S. of A. and considering the general attitude towards nudity, it was clearly inappropriate.

However, as someone who grew up in Europe, where every piece of soap is sold with a photo of a naked woman on the EXPOSED back of a magazine, where topless suntanning at public pools is not even blinked at - I cannot understand how a whole country has nothing else to talk about than ONE boob....

But like I said, it's a cultural thing. And while topless tanning and soap sales are one thing - nudity is NOT the only form of sexuality and sexual provocation - While it absolutely does NOT offend me, I find the half dressed stage of many very young girls on any given day lots more disturbing and they have been running around that way BEFORE the boob incident.