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Bolivia seizing international oil company assets

May 1, 2006 11:52PM PDT
Bolivia seizes natural-gas fields

Bolivian President Evo Morales seized control of the country's natural-gas industry Monday, sending soldiers to occupy fields that he contends private companies have plundered for years.

Morales said that unless foreign energy firms agreed to give Bolivia's state oil company oversight of production and a majority of their revenue generated in Bolivia, the government would evict them from the fields.


Watch natural gas prices spike in response to instability in that market. NOT Bush's fault!

Evie Happy

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(NT) (NT) Too bad the Bolivian people don't wake up ...
May 2, 2006 12:16PM PDT
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Don't worry...
May 2, 2006 12:27PM PDT

there will be those who'll organize chaos. They did it in Chile 1973 and they can still do it wherever they have an interest of doing so.

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Easy to blame others
May 2, 2006 8:47PM PDT

According to your own theories, the people wouldn't rise up if they weren't unhappy with their leaders.

Consider the following: Resources don't process themselves. That means someone has to invest in the infrastructure to get the oil out of the ground, etc. Where does that come from? No government generates its own capital -- it can only take that from its people. If the people have none to give, that government must get assistance from the outside world.

This is what has happened in Bolivia between other countries and companies (I heard something like $3Billion investment by "Big Oil"). They invested capital for infrastructure and are paying the people. Bolivia entered into contracts with these companies to allow them rights in exchange for some royalties or other arrangement. Now Bolivia wants to take that all back. What do you think the chances are that the PEOPLE of Bolivia will benefit from the STEALING of this capital? In the hands of a corrupt government you will see the economy tank as production declines, etc.

Been seen in Venezuela. I'm sorry for the people there who don't see Chavez as their problem. He's certainly no solution!

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You really need to research
May 2, 2006 1:13PM PDT

Brazil, one of Bolivia's biggest customers invested over 1 Billion dollars in the gas exploration/development. What do they get? Mexico promised x number barrels of oil for loans from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. Where is all that money going? Evidently not to the people. The U.S. donates to those two bodies, but lately they've been trying to set our tax rate to help the poorer countries. It's time to close our borders period. Any oil or gas pulled out of U.S. ground should stay in the U.S.. How about U.S. tax dollars for U.S. CITIZENS!

Tom

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While disagreeing with it in principle
May 2, 2006 12:06PM PDT
Bolivian constitution the government has the right to expropriate property IF the public can benefit from such measures.

But how different is this from our own SCOTUS decision to allow governments to take land from citizens to give to developers to increase tax revenue?

Sadly, not very different, in fact worse in my opinion to take a citizen's house and give it to a company for government profit.


Roger

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Theft is theft..
May 2, 2006 12:19PM PDT

The fact that someone writes a law saying stealing is okay does NOT make it okay. You should be appalled that they have legalized theft, not trying to justify it.

How about when they legalize genocide? Will it be okay then? Geez! Get some sense.

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Did they legalize theft?
May 2, 2006 12:33PM PDT

You ought to get your act together. If you didn't read my post, please try again because nowhere did it say that people were allowed to steal in Bolivia. With your analogy you must mean that it's to steal to charge people taxes to fight crime or to develop atomic weapons or why not to invade and occupy other countries. And it must be to steal to try to keep other nationalities outside our country. And it must be to steal when they build roads so you can pollute the environment. Etc, etc. And to privatize isn't to steal what's owned by the people, right?

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Hello! When the government nationalizes property...
May 2, 2006 12:41PM PDT

THAT'S THEFT! Very easy to comprehend. Just because they pass a law saying it's okay, doesnt make it okay.

But the socialist disease is sometimnes fatal when contracted.

Do you not notice that socialism has been a miserable failure every time and in every place it's been tried?

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I guess it's time for another real world economics lesson.
May 2, 2006 10:23AM PDT

Watch what happens to people who do not treat their neighbors with integrity. It will probably take a few years, so don't fall asleep.

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If you think the people will benefit, you are mistaken
May 2, 2006 2:53AM PDT

The Canadian PEOPLE are ALL benefitting from the economic growth of their economy because of the high demand for their oil. It's being pumped out by "evil" multinational companies. OTOH, Chavez people aren't doing too well. Neither are Mexico's.

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Moire to come...
May 2, 2006 7:58AM PDT
LINK


While the gas nationalization decree was not unexpected, analysts called Morales' use of the army extreme, the images of soldiers toting automatic weapons outside refineries and gas fields reminiscent of military dictatorships past.


Welcome the newest international thug.
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(NT) (NT) woops, didn't see your post...
May 2, 2006 12:31PM PDT
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More effect on oil than gas, Evie.
May 2, 2006 1:08PM PDT

Natural gas is much less transportable than oil unless liquified, and I'm almost positive Bolivia doesn't have liquification capabilities. And the oil prices are Bushs fault in oh so many ways (blocking increased CAFE standards lierally on day one, and mishandling Iran are the two biggies). If we weren't teetering on the edge of a real worldwide oil shortage, Bolivia would be merely a drop in the bucket, rather than the potential straw that broke the camel's back.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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(NT) (NT) Uurrrg!
May 2, 2006 1:14PM PDT
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Oil effect?
May 2, 2006 1:19PM PDT

The Dems and tree-hugging liberals have refused to allow U.S. companies to explore or drill for new reserves. But the liberal loud-moths love to blame the President while selling the country out.

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Enough with that LIE about the CAFE standards Dave
May 2, 2006 8:56PM PDT

You've been called on it several times. I noticed a backtracking in one thread, but now you're back to the same BS.

Maybe if the anti-American left would show SOME support for their elected government, the rest of the world would show a bit more spine towards Iran. Meanwhile if Clinton hadn't vetoed ANWR almost a decade ago, we would be pumping oil now. Same for the restrictions on refining that have choked the industry from building more and expanding. It's amazing how much they HAVE managed to do, really. And you ignore the taxes and the price premium the special blends add on. We can't make enough ethanol to replace all the MTBE in gas and CONGRESS slapped a huge tariff on foreign ethanol to subsidize our ethanol industry.

Anyway, we're no where NEAR teetering on the edge of a worldwide oil shortage. It's the refining that's the problem. But you're perfectly happy to outsource those jobs and apparently import the more expensive refined product too.

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Answer this question, Dave...
May 2, 2006 9:23PM PDT

If Bush caused the price rises as you say, how come the prices are going up in all the other countries, some of which have even stricter environmental laws than CAFE at its strongest?

Where did you find this bizarre theory? Or did you make it up yourself? The reasons for the "high" gas prices are well documented and have nothihg to do with Bush or CAFE.

We are far from "teetering on the edge of a real worldwide shortage." That's just nonsense.

And Bolivia IS just a drop in the bucket.

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And Bolivia IS just a drop in the bucket.
May 2, 2006 11:56PM PDT

And they can take their friends with'em.

Venezuela recently voided drilling contracts with private companies at 32 oil fields, demanding new contracts that give the state oil company a 60 percent stake. Ecuador is finalizing a law that could limit excessive profits by foreign crude producers.

VENEZUELA 1,353,000 brl/day

ECUADOR 222,000 brl/day

Oil, Oil, We don't need no stinkin' oil!

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You're right. One doesn't need much oil to sit on one's
May 3, 2006 12:01AM PDT

keester collecting unemployment payments from the government.

Send it south. We can always use more oil here in the US.

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collecting unemployment payments from the government
May 3, 2006 12:47AM PDT

Ahhh...The good life, Ya gotta love it

The money the government gives out, It got it from the people.

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There is no real shortage of oil
May 3, 2006 12:47AM PDT

We'll go elsewhere. Too bad we didn't start drilling ANWR long ago!

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(NT) (NT) I hope we hit hard!
May 3, 2006 6:04PM PDT
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Hit what?
May 3, 2006 7:35PM PDT

The country?