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BO and DOJ cuts off Arizona

by TONI H / June 25, 2012 12:14 PM PDT

Three hours after SCOTUS ruled on Arizona's immigration bill and the one part that passed unanimously, BO announced that Arizona can go 'straight to hell' (my words) by cutting off the State from Federal access to check immigration status and will not respond to any calls to ICE to pick up illegal law breakers in that State.

Tell me again how this guy isn't playing God....


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RE:The agreements
by JP Bill / June 25, 2012 1:01 PM PDT

The agreements granted some local law authorities to enforce immigration laws

Arizona knows what to do if they think he's doing something he can't do.

Arizona doesn't want them there...let Arizona deport them to........ Montana? Pennsylvania? Good luck with that.

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As I understand the new policy...
by Steven Haninger / June 25, 2012 9:07 PM PDT

If you meet certain age and illegal US entry criteria, can evade detection long enough to fraudulently enter the educational system or military, you're golden. Nice...very nice. Sounds like a movie plot. Happy

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Obama was just answering the question
by JP Bill / June 25, 2012 9:33 PM PDT
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(NT) Sounds like more ambiguity than clarity
by Steven Haninger / June 25, 2012 10:41 PM PDT
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RE: ambiguity?
by JP Bill / June 25, 2012 11:41 PM PDT

Toni said the President said...

will not respond to any calls to ICE to pick up illegal law breakers in that State.

What's ambiguous?...will NOT RESPOND.

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Not only for 16-30 year olds now
by TONI H / June 25, 2012 9:53 PM PDT

The DOJ has cut Arizona off from being able to check the status of anyone the police DO question by shutting off their database to them....It also sounds like the State won't be able to access E-verify anymore, but it is questionable about whether employers will also be cut off, leaving them exposed to prosecution if they hire an illegal even by accident. If the police DO contact ICE to pick up someone, even for felons, ICE will no longer respond....one law enforcement officer interviewed yesterday on FoxNews said that if ICE won't respond, the police will drop off prisoners to the ICE agency and tell them it's their problem on how to deal with them after that. Another thing DOJ did was publish a hotline phone number so people in Arizona can call and file a complaint against any law enforcement officer with regard to how they are enforcing the illegal immigrant issue there....effectively placing a bounty of sorts on the heads of every police officer and border agent in that State.

How's that for 'discretionary' action on the part of the Federal Government? I have a suspicion that BO just handed the entire State of Arizona over to Romney....talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.....

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Arizona was Romney's anyway
by Josh K / June 25, 2012 10:00 PM PDT

It's a very Republican state that Obama had no chance of winning, and he didn't win it last time either.

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I love it. You all thought he was a candy assed liberal who
by Ziks511 / June 28, 2012 2:56 PM PDT

could be pushed around. He did everything to get cooperation out of the House and Senate but crawl on his knees. Did they cooperate? Fat Chance. So, after 3 years of that he got irritated, found Osama bin Laden, which Georgie boy couldn't, and when challenged by Jan Brewer and all the other mouth breathers trying to play hard ball, he played a little back. You gotta remember, this is a guy who played asphalt basket ball in Chicago. If there's anyone who knows how to retaliate for all the elbows he's had to put up with, it's him.

I so hope he whips your *** in November, and drags in enough Dems for a super majority and rams it right up your
... Left nostril. You've been trash talking for 3 and a half years, it's time for some payback.


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Was this a Dream sequence?

BAAWAAHAHAHAHAAAA, keep on dreaming Ziks, LOL!

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RE: keep on dreaming
by JP Bill / June 28, 2012 8:22 PM PDT

Said the guy that's going to get rid of the SCOTUS and envisioned Romney being elected.

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How does one enter the education system fraudulently?
by Ziks511 / June 28, 2012 2:46 PM PDT

Do they require proof of citizenship from a child who may have been brought to the US by his parents? Do they require proof of citizenship at all? If they don't then there's no fraud or they would have forged documents. If the parents have forged documents then its the parents fraud, not the kids. And would you prefer that they ran wild in the streets robbing and stealing which is the alternative. As I understand it Latino kids are pretty good in school, eager to fit in and succeed. And what about the military? There aren't enough native born volunteers to fill the ranks so the Army or Navy or Marines or Air Force take them and turn them into the Heinlein definition of Citizens (than which one can find no more conservative definition). What's wrong with that. Again these are probably kids brought to the US by their parents. I doubt there's a torrent of 18 year olds from Mexico or Central America running up to the US to join the Army. The kids have to at least speak reasonable English to get into the military.

And the people who will be allowed must have no criminal record or implication in criminal activities. How would the US be improved by shipping them back to Mexico? Ever see Gangs of New York? Your part was played by Daniel Day Lewis who, come to think of it, is English.


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ha, there's another lie
by James Denison / June 28, 2012 4:58 PM PDT
There aren't enough native born volunteers to fill the ranks so the Army or Navy or Marines or Air Force

You and JP just pop this stuff out like Liberals so often do and just expect everyone to swallow it as fact. Some foreigners go into the various military branches as a means of speeding up citizenship. How that relates to the illegal immigrants who don't....

Just because our govt allows military service to aid toward citizenship doesn't mean it's done due to any need by our volunteer forces, especially when daily they turn people away who already ARE citizens.
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I did your homework for you
by James Denison / June 28, 2012 5:05 PM PDT

In 2009 there were under 30,000 non citizen soldiers being fastracked for citizenship. That amounted to 2% or less of all enlisted personnel. Many of those were recruited for their foreign language skills. You can look around and find the same stuff. Really, did you think the all volunteer military would fail if it lost that small 2% of non citizen soldiers?

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As far as I'm concerned
by Steven Haninger / June 28, 2012 8:10 PM PDT

if one is knowingly in the country illegally, taking advantage of publicly funded services is an act of fraud.

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"BO" didn't announce anything
by Josh K / June 25, 2012 9:58 PM PDT

The Department of Homeland Security did, in preparation for what they anticipated would be a flood of harassing calls from Arizona state authorities in response to the Supreme Court's decision.

And the announcement did not "cut off" Arizona or say that they wouldn't respond to any calls. Those were also your words, not theirs.

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One or the other
by Willy / June 26, 2012 2:17 AM PDT

It basically boils down that the state is not allowed to do what the federal is suppose to do. While reg. police work may involve finding illegals as in the normal course of duty. It's not intended to be the purpose of the police to ask for papers as the basis for stopping people or any other reason to begin such a process. Its so full of pitfalls that what AZ. wanted to do the job of the feds. Yeah, the feds maybe lackluster in this duty but it hasn't forgotten that is does ans apply its resouces it just not going to be full force all the time for the benefit of AZ. The rest of the nation needs the actions of the feds to its job on *all borders*, not AZ. alone. It wasn't about granting AZ. the benefits of fed. level of arrest but more about clearing out what it thought was a problem. It maybe one for AZ. but its nothing it hasn't been able to before, so why the rush to do the fed. level of asking for papers? -----Willy Happy

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Arizona should toss them out
by James Denison / June 28, 2012 4:50 PM PDT

over DC mall with parachutes. Do as many flights as needed. Let them all go knock on BO's door.

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toss them out over DC mall with parachutes
by JP Bill / June 28, 2012 8:31 PM PDT

At least you let them have a parachute, but still

Turn your air conditioning on James

The heat is getting to you.

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(NT) Wind drift would probably land them in Maryland
by Roger NC / June 30, 2012 1:03 AM PDT
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I don't intend to remain here
by James Denison / June 30, 2012 3:17 AM PDT

so I could care less.

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