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Blizzard 2010

Feb 6, 2010 1:07AM PST

A page I have put up for those wanting to see effects of the blizzard around my house. Measured in clearing area and was 26 inches. Some places are deeper, some less, due to blowing snow, but 26 inches seems to be the average. That's 2 inches less than the all time Knickerbocker storm in 1922. Baltimore more news claims this is the third biggest blizzard EVER in this area. Our power went out at 5:15am, and when we got up the inside temps had dropped to 62, but we fired up the woodstove and was able to maintain that temperature till the power was restored at 11:15am. Now with woodstove and electric heat for past hour added to it, started to creep near 66 inside.

http://www.glenburniemd.net/Blizzard_2010/Blizzard_2010.html

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slideshow at local news
Feb 6, 2010 1:30AM PST
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Morning surprise
Feb 6, 2010 1:45AM PST

Last night I sweep the steps and immediate pooch area in order not to do so in the morning and keep from forming. Well, that didb't last and like you got roughly 24-36in. of snow on the front area of the house. However, most of the snow was in the 8-12in. side, though it could more, it was dark when I left home. It seems it blew from the south. The drifts almost kept me from making the road from the driveway. I*'m glad I got my firewood in and stacked some on the pooch, but that is now under snow. Geezzz, it didn't seem like a big but it was.

tada -----Willy Happy

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lol, we brought firewood inside, stacked by stove
Feb 6, 2010 2:27AM PST

Wasn't taking chances. Glad we did now. Power was out from 5:15 to 11:15am but almost back up to 70 inside with electric and woodstove going to get back up there quickly. With electric restored took about 2 hours to make it from 62 to 69.3 inside. I just remembered, I want to turn my electric blanket on high, just in case electric goes off again. It's already cut off briefly once since restoration. Neighbors on main road still without power. First time we beat them back on line.

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RE: I want to turn my electric blanket on high,
Feb 6, 2010 3:48AM PST

Does your electric blanket retain the heat for a long time after the power is off?

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Pre-heating
Feb 6, 2010 4:01AM PST

My wife and I didn't like an electric blanket turned on all night so would turn it on an hour or two before retiring. We'd turn it off once nestled in. The bed must have retained the heat just fine. I can't remember. I fell asleep.

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I fold it over
Feb 6, 2010 6:52AM PST

Just before climbing in. That way the bed is warm and during the night it keeps my feet and lower legs warm. Residual heat creeps upward from there. Seems better having the feet and legs a bit warmer than the rest.

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(NT) I put my electric blanket under the bottom sheet
Feb 7, 2010 1:41AM PST
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(NT) Never thought of that..heat rises...Good idea.
Feb 7, 2010 1:44AM PST
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Isn't there a warning
Feb 7, 2010 2:59AM PST

not to sleep on top of it? Ours is long gone but that was what the tag said. But maybe you'd rather bake than broil. Happy

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I remember that, but we bought
Feb 7, 2010 11:27AM PST

a heating pad designed for that.

However, it cost over twice as much as the electric blanket at the same store. But with it under you, and blanket over you, it's very warm.

Particularly since we don't turn the temps way down at night.

Roger

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Plan "B"
Feb 6, 2010 5:30AM PST

I've learned my lesson the yr. I got sick when I kicked the propane people out. I used a 20lb.(100lb. too) tank for general use until I found a new supplier. Another 20lb. tank inside with burner lasts about 40hrs or more. Its my backup even though I have firewood, it can get pretty nasty to wrestle wood out. We lose power now and then, so I've gotten use to it over the yrs.

Glad you're OK. The weather will get better and then its the MUD! I have to get the muck boots out once spring arrives. adios from Ohio -----Willy Happy

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I was just getting ready to post a "How are you?"
Feb 6, 2010 3:20AM PST

It is good that you have power!

My daughter was in your city for a week for a meeting, but luckily was able to fly out yesterday at noon.

There was a Cracker Barrel across from her hotel, which gave her a literal "taste of home". (Cracker Barrel was founded here.)

Stay safe and warm!

Angeline

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she was very lucky to catch a flight
Feb 6, 2010 6:57AM PST

Everything was grounded around here from late Friday to about mid Saturday, quite a few airports affected. We have our power back but neighbors on main road still don't. A couple hours ago their inside temp was 58, so probably less now. Their child's been here since our power came back, she may end up staying the night.

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Thanks for the pictures James. First time I've seen that
Feb 6, 2010 1:50PM PST

much snow in Md. The difference between this situation between Maryland, which being on the coast and around Chesapeake Bay, gets lots of snow, but it tends to go away, eventually.

Toronto got hit like that in 1996, but then it got cold and it turned to huge piles of ice occupying half the side walks and about 1/4 of all available parking places until spring came. Newly fallen snow is wonderful, fluffy and great for snowballs. Concreted snow is like uhhh, I'm groping for a word that doesn't include concrete here, but it's very hard and virtually immovable and has to melt in place. Toronto does have a couple of melters, huge incredibly wasteful machines where they melted the snow while it was still light and fluffy. They didn't figure out that beside being incredibly expensive to buy and to run, their window of operation was incredibly narrow. It had to be close to freezing, and it needed to be before the snow hardened. Trouble here is it snows as the temperature falls, and then the temperatures stays down. Often for weeks or even months.

Apparently they bought these ridiculous machines in the 70's just in time for them to be completely politically incorrect.

Rob

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we have freezing temps till....
Feb 6, 2010 7:19PM PST

...the next storm arrives about Wednesday. Not sure how much snow that one's supposed to deliver but it will be snow event number 6. So, it will be dropping on top of all or most of this.

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Our Al Gore Global Warming Forecast, 10 day.
Feb 6, 2010 7:30PM PST
http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USMD0181

Another snow event, then first chance for some thaw, which means this will start to become slop and slush in daytime that will freeze again during overnights. Hopefully they will keep ice patches from melting snow on major roadsides well salted and sanded during this time. Some places where the roads may slant there will be snow melt coming across it during the day, freezing at nights.
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How does that work?
Feb 6, 2010 7:53PM PST

2 snow storms (in the US) and Global Warming is debunked.

and anecdotal evidence of Ice Glaciers melting is not evidence of Global Warming?

"Glen Burnie" & "Global"...it's a small, small world...

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(NT) my evidence is truthful and stronger than theirs, so HAH!
Feb 6, 2010 8:02PM PST
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Isn't climate ...
Feb 6, 2010 8:11PM PST

by definition a long term thing? Any short term event (such as a 2-day snow storm) then seems a less strong argument than a long term event (such as a comparison of the state of a gletscher in 1959 and 2009).

Kees

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Seemingly not
Feb 6, 2010 11:09PM PST

Depends on whether one believes in Global Warming or not. If one does, then ANYTHING true or otherwise, and as we are learning it seems mostly otherwise, COUNTS. As for me, I'm looking at this short term as in 5 snowstorms this year already in an area that might at the most get 3 a year and probably averages only 2 and only one of those more than half foot of snow. If you want longterm comparison, then consider the next snowstorm will place the Baltimore region OVER the alltime season for snowfall, and this latest single snow storm ended up finally as the second largest in Baltimore area in recorded history going back to about 1875. I think the largest was in 2003, probably the year Al Gore embarassed himself with his book. But, what are facts we can see compared to a book based on false science they refuse to release their data on, yes?

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Snow days
Feb 8, 2010 1:04PM PST

Another snow run to add tot larder. As you said, the new snow will add to the stuff already here. It seems to be coming and this time people are more serious. Pretty much the same as before to include the wind which should add to drifts. I hope my peanut butter lasts. Happy -----Willy Shocked

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my youngest is enjoying it
Feb 8, 2010 6:16PM PST

It's like a winter wonderland for her. The dog isn't quite as impressed, he's already tired of it. County snow plow's not been by yet, but a neighbor used a bobcat to clear a single car path down the road. I'm more worried about ice damming on the eaves right now than anything else.

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Blizzard, part 2
Feb 8, 2010 10:07PM PST

As I type the snow is falling. No big wind yet but already at least 3in. if not more added to the old snow. Worst, I don't hear the "bump.bump" of the snow trucks as I'm off a main corridor road and its been a while since one pasted. That alone tells me how bad it is or can get. I only wish I got some library DVDs and books to past the time more comfortably.

As for pets, my cats wanted out bad and I let them out. They only stayed on the pooch as I hadn't shoveled yet. Once, I did they only ventured as far as the shoveled path or under a vehicle. Within mins. they wanted in and all that.

The only good thing out of this is the water table will be refilled(spring) and the mosquitoes are not going to be plentiful hopefully this yr.. However, this is the type of winter I expect from yrs. past, we've had it pretty easy these last few yrs.. -----Willy Happy

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I live on a dead end road
Feb 8, 2010 11:03PM PST

I'm next to last house. Hah, how long you think I usually have to wait for a snow truck? This time it's worse, according to the news because the normal back road plows couldn't handle the loads, so they have to wait for the big plows from the main roads to do it. Since it's all over the mid atlantic, it's not like they can rent from other areas either. Thankfully a neighbor who does construction brought a bobcat from his work and we've got a strip opened up, for now. In a bit I will take my van out for the first time since the snow fell.

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snowfall totals around Maryland
Feb 7, 2010 2:46AM PST
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snowstorm #6 tomorrow
Feb 8, 2010 11:09AM PST

Another foot of snow expected, in the evening.

http://www.weather.com/weather/alerts/localalerts/USMD0019?phenomena=WS&significance=W&areaid=MDZ014&office=KLWX&etn=0007


Issued by The National Weather Service
Baltimore/Washington, MD
9:22 pm EST, Mon., Feb. 8, 2010

... WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY...

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM NOON TUESDAY TO 7 PM EST WEDNESDAY.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE... SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS... 10 TO 20 INCHES.

* TIMING... MID-AFTERNOON TUESDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

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Starting here this AM
Feb 8, 2010 6:41PM PST

and continuing through Thursday. I don't really understand how they measure this stuff. Our official total for the city last week was just over a foot but I didn't measure anything more than 6" in open space in my own yard. It was, however, quite a wet and heavy one. They give total precip in inches of water. I suspect they melt the collected snow and apply some sort of fudge factor to derive a powder equivalent.

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I don't really understand how they measure this stuff.
Feb 8, 2010 7:37PM PST

How do you calculate the water equivalent of snow ?
A.

To calculate the water equivalent of snow, we melt the snow captured in snow gauges like the Nipher snow gauge. This Nipher gauge is designed to diminish the turbulence around the opening of the gauge and positioned high enough above ground to prevent most of the blowing snow from entering the gauge.

In many snow events a ratio of 10 to 1 can be applied to the amount of snow to determine its water equivalent. In other words, 1 centimetre of snow is equivalent to about 1 millimetre of water once the snow is melted. This means that in many snowfall situations (on days when only snow fell), you can simply change the units from millimetres to centimetres on the "Yesterday's Precip. Total" on a specific location's weather page to get a reasonably good idea of how much snow fell.

However, this 10 to 1 snow to liquid ratio is not exact. Exceptions include very fluffy snow (snow that has less water once melted) where the snow to liquid ratio could be 15 to 1 or higher (i.e. 1.5 centimetres of snow would melt to provide 1 millimetre of water). At the other extreme, the snow can be heavy and wet resulting in a snow to liquid ratio of around 5 to 1 (i.e. 0.5 cm of snow would melt to provide 1 mm of water).

We also have a map giving snow depths (snow on the ground). It is available from http://weatheroffice.gc.ca/analysis/index_e.html.

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Yeah...I know all of that but
Feb 8, 2010 7:54PM PST

don't know why the weather guys (and gals) don't treat this in a similar fashion to temperature. We get the "wind chill factor" which is sometimes called "real feel". Real feel seems to be derived from both wind and relative humidity and can be warmer or colder than the recorded temperature. So why not do something similar with snow depth? Call it a snowball making factor. 1 for "don't bother" and 10 for "skull cracking hard".

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I don't really understand how they measure this stuff
Feb 8, 2010 8:37PM PST

Q.
How is snow measured?
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Usually, the snow amount or the depth of accumulated snow is measured using a snow ruler. The measurements are made at several points which appear representative of the immediate area, and then averaged. Snow is normally measured in "centimetres".


A link to more stuff you already know?

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