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Biden gives it up

I can't find decent video links showing the entire speech but I was impressed with many parts of his message. His remark that Republicans are not enemies was significant in that the Democrat front runner has already used words that they are. We need words like that, IMO. These past years have been the worst as far as creating the idea that there's no such thing as working together. The Democrats desperately need someone other than Hillary to take Obama's place in the White House. Just my opinion.

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We don't need ANY Democrats in the White House

Maybe ever again.

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You don't need anyone but Republicans
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I'm just asking for more candidates

and more ideas from the Democrat party. We don't, IMO, need Hillary. We don't need Trump on the Republican side. Don't we have the Democrats claiming to be the party that supports "choice"? Why then is the the only choice to go with her? We're going to have 8 years of no choice but what Obama wants to do so why continue that type of government. Biden speech seemed to show disappointment in Hilary's campaign rhetoric. I would agree with him on that. He's been one of the quietest VPs I can remember and I strongly suspect he wasn't as happy with this current president as he pretends to be.

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A possible explanation.

1. Republican voters are unhappy with whom they chose in the past. So outsiders score high, politicians score low.
If your strategists and pollers tell you that as a Republican outsider you've got a good chance, you try.

2. Democrat voters are happy with whom they chose in the past. So politicians score high, and outsiders score low.
If your strategists and pollers tell you that as Democratic outsider you've got no chance, you won't try.

Kees

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The party makes the choice

Outsiders who don't keep in lockstep with the party and eventually endorse that person are blacklisted for any future attempts...or so I speculate. The party already in power has the upper hand unless the current president is, or can be made to be, perceived as a complete disaster...and reality isn't nearly as important as is perception. This is where marketing comes in to play. We have two parties trying to out market the other and we should know that marketing isn't about having us by something but about having us be sold on something.

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an astute observation

Also Republicans want a winner, not any already proven losers. Trump has the aura of a possible winner.

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Re: Trump

I'm afraid that outside the USA Trump is seen by most (and not only by socialists) as a complete fool.

Kees

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LOL, probably thought the same....

...of Reagan when he first was elected. Iran though didn't, they coughed up those hostages real quick! Yet, Reagan shook the world, rearranged it, and for the better. Reagan was considered something of an outsider too, the party regulars thought of him as "too cowboy".

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Re: Reagan

Reagan had had 2 terms of being governor in California, and in 1980 did his third try to become president, according to this biography http://www.biography.com/people/ronald-reagan-9453198 .
That's certainly more qualification then Trump has.

Anyway, the most likely scenario: Trump doesn't become the Republican candidate, runs on his own, and the Democrats win with a landslide against the hopelessly divided Republicans.

Kees

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I don't see it that way

More likely is what polls are showing, which is more support is lining up behind Trump and Carson. Once he's past Iowa, Trump should come on even stronger. I won't be surprised to see a Trump-Carson team by convention time.

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Trump-Carson...or Carson-Trump?

Sounds like the makings of a Saturday Night Live skit. Grin

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(NT) Trump could be Carsons bullhorn/PA system?
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None on the second list get any attention

Anyway, it's the party that decides who's going to run.

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Bernie vs O'Malley

Bernie's running the old Eugene McCarthy playbook and hitting all the liberal socialist strongholds, something O'Malley could do, but in comparison to Bernie he'd be too conservative among the socialist. O'Malley isn't constantly in front of the camera like Hillary due to the Benghazi fiasco and home email server with it's classified material. One might think that would hurt her, but we are talking Democrats here and they believe in the biggest scoundrel principle.

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Martin O'Malley

is a better choice than either Bernie or Hillary for the Democrats. Blacks will vote for him, but then 90% of all blacks vote Democrat anyway, if they go and vote. Obama got out the black vote, can Hillary or Bernie inspire the same?

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