Bible question. Where to research?

"God doesn't play at dice." -Einstein
"Now that ain't necessarily so!" -Sportin' Life
"Yes, He does." -Feynmann
"Yes, She does." -Dragon
"Man, I'm dead." -Schroedinger's cat.

"Feynmann is dead." -God

"Regards," -Doug in New Mexico

I gave her that there are two verbs for "forgive." The one used can have a somewhat different meaning, prompting differing interpretations.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

Come on now,do you think someone who is trying to understand forgivness and the way Jesus forgave his crucifiers is going to gain anything from that?
Gods word given to us through the writings of those who believed in him is a simple word. I hope you remember that it was the most educated, strict sects of the jews who were unable to see Jesus for what he was.

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I addressed it to Steven Haninger accidentally.
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I've been very busy lately, and that won't change anytime soon. It may be awhile, but I've copied I think 3 of your posts into my mailbox and will address them some future time. You've tossed out a lot of unsubstantiated accusations on various religious matters in a sort of shotgun approach, but I do hope to answer them later on as I have some time.

Briefly, as I recall the Noahide commandments consisted of 7, so I'm not sure to what you refered when you mentioned a much higher number than that, probably some Talmudic extrapolations that aren't really a part of the Noahide covenant.

Bandying the word "confusion" about is not going to cut it James. You know darn well that I have been the only one in this discussion making reference to sources outside the bible as a way of settling this issue.Yes the sources I cite agree with me and so do almost all the other non-biblical sources. At least I have more than one source James.All you do is quote scripture endlessly.James that is not conversation.You also know that I am well prepared and knowledgeable in these areas.You and DR have made the mistake of thinking that our exchanges were bible study sessions with you and DR taking the lead. You and DR encounter some determined and educated resistance and you call it "confusion" and DR calls it bad attitude.Guess what,you and DR do not have the lock on truth.You don't even agree with each other.I don't agree with either of you. Your recourse to condescension makes clear your true goals and limited perspectives.I suggest you and DR learn a little more about the world outside the bible before you start calling other people confused etc.

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have changed since you began quoting your 'outside sources.' My source for information on the bible is the bible itself. Example:
You say the Canaanites had no warning of their impending conquest. I quote the book I take as historical record:
?As for these [spies], before they could lie down, she herself came up to them on the roof. And she went on to say to the men: ?I do know that Jehovah will certainly give YOU the land, and that the fright of YOU has fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land have become disheartened because of YOU. For we have heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea from before YOU when YOU came out of Egypt, and what YOU did to the two kings of the Am?or

My God is God the Father, the one Jesus spoke of and prayed to. Whose is yours? Someone different?

worship Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

I consider them all as God. Three separate individuals that at times are indistinguishable from being one. Similar to 3 flashlights shining on the same spot. You see the light of all 3 reflected but they are indistinguishable from each other. If there are other than 3 God, we don't know of them, so all we know is a Trinity. When Adam and Eve were created there were two Man, one male, one female. Just as there was more than one who could be called Man and yet more since that day, I believe there are 3 that can be called God. I do believe that one is absolute King, that being the Father. Just as Cain and Able came into the world and called Adam their father, yet were also Man, so is Jesus who came to the world the son of God and while here made pleas to His Father. Doug seems to overlook that multiple entities were at creation, such as when the Creator said "Let us make....."

no, wait, that's the Big Two ... or ...

Too confusing; I'll go with what Jesus believes Up There even as we rattle and hum away at our computers Down Here. Rev 3:12
Otherwise I would have to believe that Peter, John, James and the rest are also God the Spirit:

"However, a certain man, Ananias ... sold a possession and secretly held back some of the price ... and he brought just a part and deposited it at the feet of the apostles. ?But Peter said: ?Ananias, why has Satan emboldened you to play false to the holy spirit and to hold back secretly some of the price of the field? As long as it remained with you did it not remain yours, and after it was sold did it not continue in your control? Why was it that you purposed such a deed as this in your heart? You have played false, not to men, but to God.?" (Ac 5:1-4)

Now, someone untutored in the intricacies of the trinity might think that Peter is a man being lied to, yet he himself says Ananias 'played false to the holy spirit ... and to God,' (Note the uppercase G.)

Not enough for you, Arian infidel? Maybe you'll believe the Lord Jesus himself:
?I and the Father are one.? (Joh 10:30)
?Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.? (Joh 17:11)

Trinity my foot! There must be a Megatoonity up there!


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That is, if ear-tickling is worth anything. 2 Tim 4:1-5

He is saying that Annanias has lied to God; God the Holy Spirit.

BTW DR, you still haven't explained why Jesus commended Thomas for his statement TO Jesus; 'My Lord and My God (or my Jehovah if you prefer). That's right folks, Thomas called Jesus 'THE God' in Greek which, even the Watchtower admits, means Jehovah or the great I AM. Funny, Jesus said earlier that He is the I AM. I guess Thomas now sees it.

coequal. One would not be absolute King. That would mean polytheism since God the Father would be a superior, and distinguishable from, the Son and Holy Spirit. It is possible that the three agreed to act in different roles rather than superior-subordinate roles.

Yet there are others who are Man. Are they all equal in authority? They are God, we are Man. How They decided to exist together in harmony may not always be clear to us, but that doesn't mean we can't accept that They do. Since Jesus spoke of one as his Father, I can't see why that's too hard to accept as their relationship. Everybody doesn't know all your business, neither do we know all His. I have no problem accepting that.

doctrine? Sometimes in history the death penalty is applied to those who believe it, but not "correctly"- according to those who had the power to enforce their particular belief. Careful.

DR, just because news of these atrocities had made it to a hooker does not mean that the reasons for the killings were known to her and anyone else. Just because she knew of them does not mean the whole city knew of the genocides.
I scoured that passage (and others,KJV) and I can not see where it states that these people knew why they were being destroyed.
2) what secular sources describe the Canaanites as so foul?
3)You have not told me why she did not cooperate with the spies out of mortal fear.That was my first impression, that she was acting out of self-preservation.
Wouldn't you do the same in her position?
4) Why do you find it odd that I question a Christian leaning on a hooker to prove his case?

Most Christians believe that no one is beyond redemption. Most hookers are there because of circumstances; it wasn't their first career choice. We don't normally raise little girls to be courtesans anymore. A lot are told they are applying for one job and wind up in a brothel. I am not going to condemn a man or woman for turning to prostitution.

As an aside I remember some people calling marriage (esp in the fifties) legalized prostitution.

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However, it is not really an orthodox Christian view. Conservative and fundamentalist Christians, for example, believe that we are in our current station in life by choice. Most Christians, certainly those that cite the OT, preach and believe that prostitution is a sin, an act of evil and that the prostitute must be purged of the evil within her through acceptance of Jesus and only through the acceptance of Jesus will the evil in her be purged.
Yes Diana as for your aside, I see your point. I see marriage as prostitution only if the woman marries or stays married for money.

where you got the idea that conservative Christians don't hold that view. They've held it as long as I can remember. They do, however, agree with Jesus who said 'go and sin no more'. A Christian must repent and try to stop sinful practices. Prostitution is either fornication or adultery. The New Tastament disapproves of it just as much as the Old Testament. Perhaps more so.

I was talking about the idea that we are where we are in life through force of circumstance not by choice.
"Hate the sin love the sinner" does not, in my view, erase the hypocrisy and antidoctrinal nature of a Christian using a hooker to justify or prove his position. Christians beleive that she must have the evil driven from her through acceptance of Christ.Until she accepts Jesus she is host to an indwelling evil.

hookers are any better or worse than the guy who cheats on his wife, or the guy that steals your wallet at the point of a gun. Christians believe that all people have a fallen nature which must be raised to a new life. It's what Jesus called the second birth; being born of the Spirit. Christians don't believe that people are 'hosts' to anything. They simply have a fallen nature.