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had just created the universe including Adam and Eve (see John 1 where He is called the Word). The plan didn't call for Jesus to be present until much later in time. I think the phrase 'the fullness of time' is frequently used. It means the time is right.

And if he hadnt eaten from the tree of knowledge, then he wouldnt know all about sex, and as a result we wouldnt be here now. Thank goodness Adam and Eve were disobedient!

He just wasn't self conscious about it or his body. Before we thank ....... for sin, we should consider sin's effects. War, disease, the plunder of the earth, murder, death, pain, suffering, lust, greed, sloth, etc. I think I'll skip being 'thankful' for that stuff.

and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence." That's what a footnote in the RC Jerusalem Bible says, and it goes on: "The first sin was an attack on God?s sovereignty.?
That is, it was an attack on God?s right to be man?s absolute ruler or superior. 'That fruit isn't for you.' 'Yes, it is.'
This independence from superior moral authority is man's problem down to this day- read your newspaper!

Out of love alone Adam could have kept his integrity to Jehovah- Jesus proved that- and at the end of whatever testing period Jehovah had purposed he would have been given the privilege of everlasting life. Perhaps by being given the fruit of the other tree; who knows? Jehovah's concern, not mine.

We live in a terrible age, which (evolutionists say) should be better than any age before. We have not just the "blind watchmaker"- natural selection- but our own conscious powers and abilities to improve. The result? Read your newspaper!
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

That is a common thing in many of the world's groups. It is not necessarily a religious thing, although it is common in religion. It is also creeping into the scientific establishment as we increasingly decide who's human and who's not among other things.

How can we tell what is intelligent on other planets when we can agree on it here.

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evolutionists, to say the least.

Dan

you missapply those teachings to areas for which they were never intended.

Dan

evil. We do not know exactly what that means, but it does not mean sex. Other writers and Jesus make that clear.

The immediate result of partaking was that Adam and Eve 'fell', and gained a knowledge of sin. Sin is disobeying God, and involves things like murder, stealing, etc. There were other effects of the 'fall' that impacted the entire creation. CS Lewis speculates that Adam and Eve had far greater abilities than we could dream of today. He suggests that they literally 'fell' out of this higher level of existence and consciousness.

Another way of saying this is that their original nature died as God said it would. Mercifully, physical death was deferred for a period of time. Paul speaks of us as being spiritually dead totally unable to help ourselves unless God intervenes to give us new life.

some would disagree with you...

i'm not too sure of the wording, but it's to do with "thou shalt not know another mans woman" the emphasis is always on 'another woman' and, if i recall correctly, a woman cannot 'know' a man,,,, see why they always blame Adam?

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of tree is about as consequential as whether Gilgamesh was left handed or right handed.

Dan

When you have children, you know that they will disagree with you and do things you disapprove of but do you smother your children at birth to stop this from happening? No, you don't. You do the best you can and hope they turn around someday. Then again, they may not.

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them. God has His rescue plan in place before He ever created anything. He would come in the person of Jesus Christ and rescue those who would grasp the rescuing hand.

Many people think Murphy's Law came out of computing; it didn't: It's from parenting. Don't ask me how I know.

IMO if Jehovah is worthy of the unconditional worship we're asked to give him (Rev 4:11) then he should do better than we can manage. The bible assures me he did:
'And God saw that [these creations] were good,' until Adam was made: ?. . .After that God saw everything he had made and, look! [it was] very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day.? (Ge 1:31)

In fact, for "very good" we might even substitute "perfect," in its other sense of "complete:" Jehovah and Adam in their respective domains; Ps 115:16.

I think Adam had real choices and the goods needed to make the right ones. He failed; Jesus succeeded. (1 Cor 15)
Now we have our choices.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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