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Between Compaq v2000z, Sony s480, Dell 600m

Oct 5, 2005 4:37AM PDT

I cannot seem to make up my mind here.
First of all, let me say that, for now, I am mostly turned off of the Dell 600m because of the ENORMOUS negative reviews here on CNET regarding faulty motherboard, graphics, screen, and such within such a short period of time. Honestly I was shocked as so many people say that Dell is reputable, etc, etc, etc...

So unless someone can convince me otherwise I am down to comparing the Compaq v2000z and Sony S480.
I am completely stuck here and I have read so many reviews that I am starting to loose my mind. LOL. One note that I have found common amongst almost ALL laptop reviews is some type of complaint that the units are hot... okay well I guess I will never escape that *shrug*

However, I have seen many varying comments on battery life. This is a big deal to me, and I think it is for most people. I thought that Turion was supposed to be the new big craze and even better than a Pentium M? I have read reports going both ways. So which is it? lol.

For the most part both of these laptops meet my needs. Small and powerful. The nVidia / ATI graphics are great even though I'm not a hardcore gamer, I would like to play something every now and then... even so, the GPU probably still benefits DVD viewing and overall unit performance.

I have looked at other 13.3 and 14" models, but the Fujitsu s2000 and s6000 doesn't seem to stack up pricewise, and I have checked Toshiba Satellite M50 but the price doesnt match either with similar upgrades.
Yes the Sony is expensive, but I have considered getting a new or like new model (2 weeks old or less) on Ebay and just purchasing a warranty from Sony (called and theey said it was fine as long as its a U.S. serial#).

I am truly between a rock and a hard place. HELP! Happy

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Some comments
Oct 5, 2005 3:14PM PDT

1. If price is a big issue you just can't beat configuring a v2000z at hpshopping.com starting at $529, but still able to stack this unit with options like LightScribe DVD and come out with something fancy for well under a grand. The wait sucks though ( 2 weeks, built in China)
And Dells are pretty cheap these days.

2. As a side note, I was looking at one of the v2000s at a store today, the model# with the Turion 64 in it, and the area around the touchpad seemed quite warm, even warmer than a similar model next to it with the Sempron 3000 in it. The AMDs might perform better than a Celeron but heat factor might be more of an issue, I'm guessing.

3. Truth is, Compaq and Dell and even HP are not the best choices for longevity. Heck, they're all pretty much made the same. That's not to say that if you take care of your budget laptop you can't get a good 3-5 years out of it with a little luck. Alot of people underestimate the inherent fragility of notebooks and abuse them and then blame the manufacturer when something goes wrong. I bet well over half of all customer complaints to tech support have nothing to do with build quality and everything to do with neglect.
Anyway, I think IBM/Lenovo, and Apple are better bets for quality/dpendability but need to be revised with the times a little. Have you considered an iBook or a PowerBook?
Fujitsus are sweet, have really come of age but remain rather pricey.

4. Sony's are a bit more expensive but you gotta love the crisp screens and cool features on say, the Vaios. I'd say Sony PCs are of better quality than HP/Compaq and Dell.

5. All things considered, I'd skip all of these and consider the holiday upgrade of the 14" 5 lb. Toshiba m55 (m55-s139) which you can get at Office Depot for $999 if you can deal with a Celeron 380. The similar s-329 has a Pentium M and it's $1149.
I feel a little more comfortable buying a Toshiba over a Compaq.

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I have a few
Oct 5, 2005 6:46PM PDT

laptops including the compaq V2000. But mine is with Pentium M. I have 2 other Compaq, 1 Toshiba, 1 Dell and 1 Alienware. Honestly, I really have no issues whatsoever with any of those (except the Alienware). I'm even drawned toward Compaq for daily use.

But Pete is right about the arm pad's heat. The V2000 series are a bit too warm on that area. But it's been my favorite so far. The size, weight and long lasting battery are just perfect for my business travel. It survived a few falls also.

Sony, IMHO is just overpriced for the brand and looks.

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Here are the rules
Oct 6, 2005 12:36AM PDT

#1 money is not the primary issue (sortof). I am planning on spending MAXIMUM $1900 AFTER 3yr warranty purchase ($300-350).

#2 maximum screen size must be 14.1 inches and weight here is a major factor. I have read that the extended battery on the V2000z is > 1lb thus if i went with that (or any others I suppose) I would purchase an extra of the regular battery instead of 2x extended.

#3 I will MOST likely be purchasing a configuration with only 256RAM so that afterwards I will have the cash to purchase a 1GB chip from Newegg.com @ ~125 from what I have seen. The exception here is with the Sony S460/480/580 which requires a configuration of 512 to get the nVidia graphics.

#4 I under ANY circumstances NO Celeron chips! I want either Pentium M/Centrino or Turion. I am seeking the BEST battery efficiency I can find, and not have a crummy processor wasting my productivity time. lol. It's like a watched pot never boils. LOL. I am getting mixed reviews over which is better under EQUAL circumstances in comparisons. I will not be doing loads of graphic design or gaming, or dvd watching, BUT I do need CAPABILITY of doing so comfortably, as I will have these things installed for my convenience and occasional use. Thus equal comparison being idle time vs idle time, dvd playing time vs dvd.... NOT user A habits vs user B habits.

#5 any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks again!

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Latest update comparison
Oct 6, 2005 9:03AM PDT

on both processors is here : http://www.laptoplogic.com/resources/articles/42/1/1/

They're comparing 2Ghz Turion vs centrino. Mine is 1.6Ghz and the 12cell battery could last close to 6 hours. The extended battery is a nice feature since it actually lift the back of the laptop and make the keyboard slanted downward (more comfy).

Actually, I'm placing another order for V2000Z (Turion ML30, 512 MB RAM, 12 cell, Brightview, DVD+/-CDRW). I think it's $1010 at HP website. Won't get it until Oct. 20th though.

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(NT) (NT) The hp dv1000 is the right choice.
Oct 6, 2005 9:30AM PDT
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It wasn't considered
Oct 6, 2005 1:37PM PDT

Generally, each laptop has pros and cons that are advantageous to different people.

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Yet more disappointment...
Oct 6, 2005 3:36PM PDT

After having a nice conversation with a saleswoman at Dell over pricing and options I might have with a Latitude D410 or a Inspiron 700m we concluded that I could get a nicely loaded 700m for a bargain after student discount and various configuring with and without rebates... etc... THEN of course, reading up on notebookreview.com (ouch!) and also www.recall700m.com LOL!!!

Honestly, I don't know how Dell is keeping customers anymore. Their business level customer service is okay (i have called from my job) , but EVERYTHING I have read about in the past few months is EXTREMELY discouraging. *sigh* And I was so so so close to going with the 700m. I totally understand that stuff breaks, but when I read about consistent breakdowns (and so soon after purchase) as the 600m reviews on CNET list, and when there is a defect on EVERY 700MB which has still not been addressed.... sheesh. Makes me wodner if I even want to think of the D410 or ANY Dell for that matter. Why should I have to get in a fight with Customer Service if I have paid $300+ to have PEACE OF MIND?!?!?!? hahaha.

I am going back to review IBM models since everyone seems to cherish their build quality (and I am not buying my laptop to be a piece of art, lol), and I am also going to visit the Sony Store to see what's what if they have anything on display to mess with.

Also found Asus W3V seems to be a solid unit, I like the W5A and Z33 but they only seem to support a max 768 memory... what's with that!?!?

Unforunately there are no Fujitsu 14" or 13.3" models that have integrated Bluetooth so that scraps them from the list... same with Gateway, so they're a bust also..

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Stay away from Asus, go with Compaq, Fujitsu, IBM
Oct 7, 2005 2:40AM PDT

Not from personal experience but from feedback from friends, the build quality of Asus laptops aren't good. Compaq laptops and even IBM laptops are a better buy.

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Interesting
Oct 7, 2005 4:30AM PDT

Okay, I'll take your word on the Asus... I wasnt sure either but they do make an awesome MB and do have nice configurations there. I checked IBM and ALL of their decent configurations, INCLUDING "build it yourself" are INSANELY overpriced... I dont care if the laptops are made of light Aluminum or Titanium! And what's with not being able to get a larger than 20GB HD in the customized 12" models?!!??!? sheesh. Lenovo is nuts.

Does anyone know about Acer or Averatec models?

I am still down to the Sony S line, tho I have confirmed at both Sony Style store and at Comp USA that they do run quite warm on the bottom. Not unbearable, but definately hotter than average.... Also I am getting VERY mixed reviews on Sony battery life...

I am going to call Fujitsu and ask if they have models with bluetooth, because so far, there is no choice on their website.

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Integrated bluetooth
Oct 8, 2005 4:10PM PDT

I found that the only manufacturers that had BT readily available on most models was Toshiba. Though I didn't look at IBM or SONY because price is an issue with me.
Still trying to figure out what to buy (or not..) so I am following comments to your posts closely.

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units with bluetooth option
Oct 11, 2005 11:53PM PDT

From major manufacturers (this means NO Asus, Acer, Averatec, or other minors (and also no Apple because I am not looking for one): small, **configurable**, units with bluetooth options (not including celeron models or tablet PCs):

Fujitsu 14" S7000
Toshiba 14" Satellite M50
Toshiba 7.2" Libretto U100 & U105, but also pricey
Sony 13.3" S580
Compaq 14" V2000Z and V2000
HP 14" dv1000
Dell 14" 600m
Dell 12" Latitude X1 (though these are quite pricey)

I have ruled out Dell options due to the numerous, consistent complaints here on CNET (and notebook review.com) about faulty parts & multiple breakdowns within the first few months (or even weeks), and even MORE so, a practically unanimous voice on how BAD their customer service is (at least at this point in time). It was noted by some people that since Dell has outsourced customer service (and manufacturing too? not sure) to India, that their quality and service has gone down the drain *sigh* . Also I was just using a 600m model yesterday and was NOT impressed with the build quality at all, however I must admit that these models are lended out at the college library to studens, constently, so they do get constant use.... still, I was not impressed. Also I felt that it was heavy for a 14" model.

There are some IBM models as well, but I am ruling them out because their online configurators and model-search tool are pissing me off. LOL. Simply put, their site sucks IMHO. Also they are just plain expensive, with EXCEPTION of about *two* models that people have pointed out to me at a decent price (and BTW were -burried- , one, a *very* specific X32 model at another online authorized reseller, and another which was pointed out to me among the thousand various things listed on the company site. Something just IRKS me about Thinkpads.

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Thanks for Bluetooth (possible)Brands/Models
Oct 13, 2005 9:16AM PDT

Thanks for the information.
I want the bluetooth, but have decided it kicks the price up too much; and unlike you, price is a factor.
I just don't like DELL. Multiple reasons (advertising, web pages, configuring, a few others). I am happy to work on DELLs at work, but not invest in it.
IBM are just out of my price range.
TOSHIBA can be withinprice range is I am discrinating about what features I really want.
HP allows most configuration; but isn't really trying to be lowest price.
COMPAQ - no personal input; but someone I know has worked on several COMPAQ (notebook and desktops) that just died. Didn't ask details.
ACER - I have never seen one in person.

So to date, I am notebook-less (unless you count spirals....)
I do appreciate your research being passed on!
I want a notebook compatible with home desktop and work computers (that means Apple PowerBooks are out - but they are cool looking.)

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The finals
Oct 7, 2005 3:56PM PDT

This is it. I was at the Sony Style store today and also Comp USA. After spending hours reading user reviews and complaints about various models, I have got a proverbial headache. lol. I have gone through all major and minor manufacturer brands (except total generic 3rd parties, such as cyberpowersystem.com) 12" - 14.1" laptops excluding tablets (cuz I simply have no need for the features I think, and even more so the fact that I bet the swivel/hinge is just sooo fragile, until I'm convinced)...

Definate finalists, are, as I expected from my first general search...

Sony s580 (480 is no longer in production)
Compaq v2000z

At this point, I will probably go with the s580 , the only *remotely* major issue I have with it is that it does run hot on the bottom. not ubearable or anything... so I had to be honest with myself about how often I TRULY believed I would have this thing on my lap, instead of a table of some sort.... I suppose worst case scenario would be watching a DVD on a bus ride.

The alternate is where the left wrist rest of the unit is a bit warm... also not a huge deal, but it is definately noticeable... some people clearly noted it as a negative.

Both units perform wonderfully and the displays are absolutely fantastic. Both keyboards are comfortable.

Ultimately I think I will end up with the s580 only out of my goal to stay as lightweight as possible. I am unsure if I will be purchasing the regular or extended battery, because I think in all cases I will be carrying the A/C adapter (I think it would be somewhat foolish not to do so). I think the best scenario might be to purchase one standard battery and one extended battery, then just carry the extended with me if I know I will be needing it for a bus or airplane type of situation.

Honestly, its pretty much a tie. True, that battery is a concern (reviews on both sides have gotten both positive and negative reviews for their battery life), and that according to extensive tests done by laptoplogic.com the Turion does get better mileage out of the simulated "average use" as opposed to the "constant drain." Also, the Turion faired better in various application benchmarks, which is great... now only if Sony would put one in their machines. LOL. Unfortunately HP doesnt make a 13.3" model, and their 12" business laptops not only have an abysmal appearance, but the configurations offered are a joke compared to their competitors! Averatec has a 13" Turion model, but I wanted something with bluetooth, plus the sony seems to be beefier anyhow and I'd rather purchase from a company with a stronger track record.

Any input or feedback appreciated. I won't be making the purchase immediately, so I still have plenty of time for other things to cross my mind. LOL.

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Bot sure what you're planning to spend, but...
Oct 10, 2005 5:55AM PDT

...if you're considering a S570P/S, you should look at a thinkpad T43 like the one below for about $1800. Cost about the same, weighs about the same, but you get a bigger screen, faster processor, and all the other great stuff inside a ThinkPad.
http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/tseries/index.html

Model ThinkPad T43 (Think Express Program)
Part # 2686M5U
Intel Centrino Mobile Technology
OS Microsoft Windows XP Professional
RAM 512 MB
HDD 60 GB
Processor Intel

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not bad
Oct 11, 2005 11:26PM PDT

Hey that T43 looks pretty good.

However I have finally settled on the following after many headaches and countless hours.....

Fujitsu S2000 series (85% chance of final decision)
- Note: the S2000 (13.3" Turion)and S6000 (13.3" Pentium M)do not have any option for integrated bluetooth, but I decided to look deep inside myself and come to grips with the fact that I just dont need it right now, and if so... far down the road most likely... I will just settle for a USB adapter, which someone else recently pointed out to me that Bluetooth v1.2 *can* have ranges up to 100m, either way definately better range than v1.1 (or whatever) even if it's less than 100m

Sony S580 (15%)

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sony S series
Oct 13, 2005 5:07PM PDT

not good.these get hot hot.on top of fan noise all the time. you will need a cooling pad to set this notebook on.in the user fourms/reviews when i owned a s series we called it the sony,s pandoras box.nothing has changed in the S-580 just more unhappy owners.
good luck

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I don't really know much about Fuji...
Oct 14, 2005 12:49AM PDT

...and I never hear anything good or bad about them. They rated middle of the road on the latest PC World & PC Mag readers' survey.

It seems to be a better choice than the Sony. I'd look into their service and support (ratings, offshore/domestic) before buying. It's something most people don't consider when making a purchase, but they should.

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Warranty
Oct 14, 2005 1:18AM PDT

The only thing that Fujitsu doesnt offer that the other major brands do is an Accidental Damage warranty option. Actually they do offer accidental coverage JUST for the LCD if you pay tons extra, lol, but its not worth it unless it was for all parts. I will definately pay to extend the regular warranty to 3 years tho, and just treat it like a gem, which is what I'd do anyhow.

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Not talking about the warranty.
Oct 14, 2005 4:25AM PDT

A warranty is just a piece of paper.

I was talking about how the company handles service and support...fulfilling the warranty. All of the big OEMs offer basically the same warranty terms (e.g. 1 Year, 3 Years, Depot, On-site, etc.), but there can be huge differences in the service and support you receive.

Call hold times.
Knowledge of reps.
Getting you problem fixed on the first call.
Hoops you have to jump through to get problems fixed.
etc, etc.

That's the type of thing you should consider. I always check the PCWorld, PCMag & CNet annual polls to see how laptop owners rate there OEMs on service & support. One of the reason I always buy ThinkPad.

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Notebookreview.com
Oct 14, 2005 5:12AM PDT

I have had very positive feedback from folks at notebookreview.com forums re: fujitsu models and service.