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Best DVD player for new Samsung HLR5067W

Jun 4, 2005 12:15PM PDT

I know I've read some people's opinions on a good DVD player for a new DLP, but I am having trouble finding it. I have a progressive Scan DVD player now, but it only has component output (420p).

Should I upgrade? If so, what do you suggest?

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Try your component output first...
Jun 5, 2005 12:38PM PDT

...before buying a new DVD player. See how well the TV handles the upconversion. If you don't like it, then you can buy a Samsung or Toshiba upconverter DVD player. Remember that HD DVD players will hopefully be out by the end of 2005. I would imagine that they would provide upconversion for standard DVDs.

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re
Jun 5, 2005 1:20PM PDT

I have the samsung hd upconverter and so does 3luke3 and both of us seem to be pretty happy with thte picture quality of ours

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model?
Jun 6, 2005 9:57AM PDT

which model do you guys have? I saw the HD850, and it comes with an HDMI cable.

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re
Jun 7, 2005 1:34AM PDT

I have the 841 with the DVI cable. You won't see a picture differnce with the HDMI vs DVI, I personally like the DVI cable better myself since I don't care about running audio to the tv, where someone that only uses the tv speakers can benefit more by using the HDMI and get better audio through there tv speakers.

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sounds good
Jun 7, 2005 10:18AM PDT

that sounds like a good plan. I'm going to try using my 420p 5 disc I have now and see how it looks. Can you run audio through the TV to a home theater, or should you run it right to the reciever?

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Man...
Jun 7, 2005 12:24PM PDT

I personally think upconversion DVD players look like utter garbage. The mass amount of digital artifacting is what kills it for me.

~~~~ Remember that HD DVD players will hopefully be out by the end of 2005 ~~~~

Not happening. The first HD-DVD player on the market will be the PS3 and it's Blue-ray. I believe it will be at LEAST Q2 2006.

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haha...
Jun 8, 2005 11:40AM PDT

what dvd player did you see & with what display device (tv) ?

I have the samsung dvd-hd841 and an Infocus ScreenPlay projector and am always upconverting to 720p and everything looks FANTASTIC!!! I'm in the visual industry too, so its not like I'm some internet forum spammer with another opinion... it really looks good, I see no aliasing, no color imbalances, and its not too smooth or too sharp, its absolutely amazing. (I stand behind faroudja video processors, thats whats in both of my components).

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Running audio through TV to Receiver or Directly to Receiver
Jun 7, 2005 9:26PM PDT

I plan to try it both ways when my new DLP TV arrives. If you find no synch problems between audio and video going direct to the receiver from the DVD player, that might be the way to go. However, an advantage of running all audio through the TV is that you have one less remote control to fiddle with. That is, you can always leave your receiver set to TV whether your are watching broadcast, DVD or VHS. Also, with a digital audio in to the TV and a digital audio out from the TV to the digital audio input of the receiver, I would expect that there would be no loss of audio signal.

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re
Jun 8, 2005 2:30AM PDT

I did that with my 36" sony tv and it was very easy to use. Not that I have the pedestal dlp I run everything through my reveiver. But in order for me to get dolby digital from each source I have to run it directly through the receiver. Though I have a PC, DVD, PS2, and HD DVR all hookup up with fiber optic and digital coax so there would be no way for me to run it to the tv.

As far as remotes go get a nice sony lcd touch panel remote for about $150 and that will easily take care of everything you need. I love mine

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Sears TV Guy Makes Excellent point
Jun 8, 2005 6:22AM PDT

I guess one is limited by the number of digital audio inputs on the TV, whereas the receiver has many more inputs.

Sears TV Guy: I know you have either the Samsung 50 or 5685. Have you had had any of the audio-video synch problems with your TV that some other people have been writing about? Thanks.

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re
Jun 9, 2005 1:33AM PDT

I have the 5085w and since I do not use the TV speakers there wouldn't be any possibility for audio sync to be out for me, but I do sell these tv's (pedestal, HLP, and HLR models) and have never had an audio sync problem with any of them. Occansionally I do have customers come in and say the with the HD cable boxes they are having audio sync problems, but has applied to almost all the DLP's and LCD's so to me its not just something samsung has had a prob with.

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Audio/Video Lag
Jun 9, 2005 3:10AM PDT

I just got a new Samsung HL-R5067W 50 inch DLP and noticed a delay that I think is common and thought worth mentioning. I have an A/V Receiver into which I have a DVD, VCR, Cable/Tivo. The cable HD signal goes direct from the box to TV. The AVR then has a single output to the TV so all video/audio (except HD) goes through the AVR. When I use surround sound speakers through the AVR, the sound is a fraction of a second earlier than the video/sound on the TV. I have scoured the internet about this and found many discussion groups reporting this problem. Apparently, with all the microprocessor work that DLP TVs do, there is a small but noticible delay. So - the TV video and sound, while synched to each other just fine (which I understand was a problem in older sets) lags a bit behind the sound coming from the home theater speakers. There has been a lot of discussion on other boards that this problem is also evident for people who use video games (Xbox, PS2) in that with fast moving games, the lag becomes quite noticible with delays in response. There is no workaround that I have found for gaming. However, for the surround sound, the best "fix" is to have all components go direct to the TV using the AV inputs and then have the TV audio output (mine has digital optical and RCA ends) to the AVR so the sound coming from the AVR is "post-processing" in the TV and should be synched.

I've read all kinds of posts about changing the interlacing,etc and things i dont understand to improve the lag time, but apparently this problem comes with the technology and varies between different companinies from a few miliseconds to 200 miliseconds or so.

Some high end AVRs have an option to set a sound delay for just this reason. There are also Sound delay devices as well. But I think running everything through the TV is probably better anyway since the DVD video signal should be clearer going direct to the TV. Also, those "fixes" wont do anything for the gaming issue.

When I called Samsung about this, they pretended that this was news to them. However, on other boards it seems this is common knowledge in the industry. Apparently, the units with better pictures tend to have more delay because of more processing.

Hope that helps - and Im interested to hear other peoples experiences and other brands.

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Thanks to Sears TV Guy and SJ re AV Synch Issue
Jun 9, 2005 5:21AM PDT

Both of you provided very useful information. I guess my plan will be to route as much audio as possible through the TV and then use the digital audio out from the TV to the AV receiver. Once my TV (568Cool arrives, if it ever does, I'll let you know how I make out. Much appreciated. EG

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re
Jun 9, 2005 6:50AM PDT

I guess I just do everything the opposite way. I run all video sources directly through the TV and all sound sources directly through the AVR with either fiber optic or digital coax and thats even for the PC and PS2 and have never even noticed the slightest bit of audio lag, but I guess the easiest way is just to try some options and see what works best for you

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Easy way to check Lag time
Jun 9, 2005 11:07PM PDT

I just rewired everything so now all goes through the TV inputs and the TV output goes to the AVR so everything is in sync. It definitely seems to keep the surround sound information so thats not a problem.

But its driving me crazy that Samsung made me feel like this is a non-issue and the Tweeter salesmen I worked with don't know it either.

I came up with a very simple test that you can do in-store ot or at home to prove this - and Im curious if Sears guy does this what he will find:

just take either your portable DVD player (if you have one) or camcorder or laptop computer and plug it into the AV inputs on your DLP. Play a tape or DVD and make sure the sound is up on both your portable unit and the TV. With mine, you can definitely hear the lag on the TV - its a little tricky on the ears but it has an echo sound. I did the same test on my old standard TV and there was no delay. Now, technically I know that every TV has a delay for the electronics, but old TVs are probably in the milisecond range (like 1-10) whereas the DLPs are in the 50-250 range which is perceptible.

Anyway, before you or anyone buys a TV, especially if you are serious gamer (which I am not) this test can easily be done in store beforehand and to prove it to the Tweeter guys what Im talking about.

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Panasonic DVD-S97S
Jun 6, 2005 7:21PM PDT

Awesome if you can find it.

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problem solved by stewart norrie
Jun 10, 2005 11:01AM PDT

Dont make the mistake I made, Buy a d.v.d. player with a d.v.i. output I bought a Denon 2910 player and a Giffen d.v.i. switcher so I can watch di-def with my satellite or switch to my d.v.d player and the d.v.d picture is stunning I dont know why but by using a d.v.i. interface the d.v.d picture is stunning please reply I just joined this chat line so please reply and good lunc

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My reply
Jun 10, 2005 11:25AM PDT

Welcome to the forum, Stewart. Please use proper punctuation so that we know what you are talking about. I have no idea where one sentence ends and the other sentence begins!

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problem solved by stewart norrie
Jun 11, 2005 5:36AM PDT

I had a horrible picture with my d.v.d player using componit vidio cables so I bought a denon 2910 d.v.d player with d.v.i. output and set the output to 1080 I also bought a Giffen d.v.i. switcher so I can switch between the d.v.d player and my dish network hi-def- satillate system And I get an awsome picture the d.v.d looks almost as good as hi-def, using the d.v.i interface made a 100% improvment in the picture GOOD LUCK Also I just joined this chat room so please reply stewart norrie