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Battery backup for pioneer PDP-6010FD plasma?

Aug 8, 2009 7:56AM PDT

Our power here in Florida tends to flicker a lot. Can you recommend a battery backup for my Pioneer PDP-6010FD plasma? I am sure the restarts are not doing the plasma any good. I already have it on a Monster top of the line surge protector. Thanks!

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APC
Aug 8, 2009 8:03AM PDT

output 120v sine wave. Refurbished will be perfectly fine, and that comes from one of the craziest AV nuts I know, who is not only a doctor as well, but was in charge of his hospital's power supply.

They are also known to have very good CS, for a while now. Give em a call.

A mid level unit will able to run your sources and TV. Definitely connect your STB to it. For high current amps and subs, the cost gets a bit too high on a UPS, but whatever floats yer boat.

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Josten, your first sentence was fragmented
Aug 8, 2009 10:15AM PDT

It looks like the first part of your first sentence was lost. "output 120v sine wave."
Can you re-post?

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my grammar was poor, due to laziness
Aug 9, 2009 6:17AM PDT

sorry. otherwise, there's nothing to re-post. In a nutshell, APC will serve your needs just fine. Add up your wattage on the components you will hook up, give em a call.

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My UPS
Aug 9, 2009 11:46PM PDT

This is the UPS that I bought to backup my HDTV, HD-DVR, and PS3:

http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/browse-by-category/intelligent-lcd-ups/CP1500AVRLCD.html

You will want something with as many VA's as you can get to give you plenty of time to power down everything or allow your DVR to keep recording in the event of a power outage so you don't miss a show.

I was able to snag that linked UPS for about $150 on Amazon earlier this year and that is a steal with all the features it has. I really like the LCD screen that tells you your battery time remaining, Voltage/frequency input, Voltage output, and load capacity.

Also, some UPS's tend to 'hum' when they are operating (the Belkins seem to do this). This one is very quiet.

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I looked up power consumption on devices..
Aug 10, 2009 1:18AM PDT

Pioneer Plasma PDP6010fd ? 532 watts
Sci Atlanta 8300hd cable box dvr ? 26-28 watts
Panasonic DMP-BD30K Bluray player ? 25 watts
Onkyo tx-sr-805 receiver ? 870 watts

Total Power Consumption Entertainment Center ? 1455 watts

It is a big power load once you include the Onkyo receiver. Maybe I just need to protect the plasma and the DVR.

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Receiver
Aug 10, 2009 3:12AM PDT

I wouldn't connect the Onkyo to the UPS. It will just drain your battery time and I'm pretty sure the 805 has built-in power surge protection circuitry to protect itself. In the least, I'd connect the plasma and DVR.

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the 805
Aug 10, 2009 4:42AM PDT

is basically as beefy of a receiver that you can find among the commonly known brands. It's big and heavy for good reason. They put a lion's share of cost into the power supply, and it's ultra 2 rated (meaning 3.2 ohm capable, IIRC). 52 lbs, right?

Receivers actually use the MOST draw right when you turn it on. I have a voltage meter display on my power center, and it's fun to watch it dip dramatically when I turn it on (though not as dramatic as when I turn on the NAD attached to the 805).

Because of this, if you don't get a very beefy UPS, you'll kill the battery quickly I think*.

If you have a powered sub, that can cause the same issue. I think my sub is 3500 watts.

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I stressed over UPS's too
Aug 10, 2009 6:24AM PDT

and eventually decided to get a pair of Belkin 1200va units because they were only 99.99 after a 50.00 mail in rebate. My power has gone off at least a half dozen times since and I wouldn't have even known if it wasn't for the UPS's warning beep. When the battery cut in, there wasn't even a flicker.

There's no doubt that a "pure sine wave" as opposed to a "simulated sine wave" would be the best possible power as it would also be a perfect "power conditioner". I almost bought an APC "Smart" for that reason. I didn't because when I e-mailed APC with some questions, they informed me it only produced a "pure sine wave" in the event the battery kicked in due to a power failure. That would be very important for some kinds of very sensitive equipment as they could fail if the wave wasn't perfect but it doesn't really help for home theater. There are units that use, if I remember correctly, an inverter that takes in whatever power it receives from your power source and recreates it through the use of an inverter to create a pure wave. That would be super cleaning the power and I was hoping that it might get rid of some AM radio static when listening through my receiver. The problem is, those are extremly expensive UPS's. When I was looking, they were 2-3 times what an APC "Smart" UPS cost and those ain't cheap. Just for the 10 minutes or so that the batteries will last during a power failure, I think a pure wave is overkill. As I said, looking at my picture running off my plain ole cheap, simulated wave, I couldn't tell the difference.

With regard to capacity, I've got a similiar draw to you with my TV, receiver, DVD and cable box connected to one of my 1200va units. I was concerned that it wouldn't be big enough but with all four of those components connected,it only shows it drawing three of the five bars on the front display. I presume that's because the wattage ratings on your components must be at maximum power. Since you would never have all of your components turned up all the way, it won't take as big a UPS as you might think.

(Hey Meat)

Rusty

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hi Rusty
Aug 10, 2009 9:23AM PDT

how ya been? Did ya notice by any chance the link/sale that AVS has on the RS2? It's really killer.... Grin

So, I gotta ask: Seeing that you are tech freak, demand Z wave remotes, fly all around the world for AV stuff, streaming Apple, etc, do you still shy away from bluray? Silly

I mean your Oppo is already released as I'm sure you know. Wink

thanks for that info on sine/APC. Informative.

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Still can't squeeze a projector...
Aug 11, 2009 12:41AM PDT

into my 1 bedroom apartment but that is a mouthwatering price. I do have my sights set on the Panasonic V10 65" plasma but I'll probably wait until the initial price falls a little. Then it will be back to building a whole second system over the next couple of years. Over time, I will finish out my Monitor Audio surround and finally get my HSU sub. After all of that, yes I will get a Blu ray. Hold the aplause please. I'm not sure I see the value in the OPPO Blu ray at that price. Conceptually, I like the flexibility of the Samsung BD-P3600. If I was buying today, I just might buy that instead of my Apple TV. Pandora is a much better solution for me than I-tunes radio. The reports in this forum about substandard Netflix video quality and reliability issues from the Samsung players do give me pause. Since the purchases that will come first will take me quite sometime to accumulate, I'm sure something better for less will be available when I buy. I do like streaming but I would also like a Blu ray for the occasional big specail effects movie. Maybe Apple will come up with some kind of Blu ray add on someday. Who knows?

Past that, been pretty boring on the home theater front. My XBR-2 recently needed a new light engine. My poor baby caught the yellow haze. Props to Sony for extending their warranty to cover it. The tech came promptly and new exactly what he was doing. I've got an extended warranty that I didn't use from Repair Master, but I feel very good about the service Sony gave me. My Onkyo TX-SR605 lost it's HDMI out board about 10 days before the warranty expired. It took the warranty repair company they ran it through in Dallas over a month to fix it. That wasn't very impressive but I blame the local company, not Onkyo. It's true Onkyo gives a lot for the money, but my customer service and reliabilty issues with them may make me curious about Denon in the future.

That's it. Maybe I'll have more interesting things to report later in the year.

Rusty

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whew, I'm glad the issues came up under the warranty period
Aug 11, 2009 5:19AM PDT

here, I had the easiest time with Mack in getting my first free bulb, and I'm very lucky considering many others had to jump thru hoops. I called, and they drop shipped it, no questions asked. I quickly sent them forms and my old bulb, though I had a 3 month period to do so.

My brother's second xbox died just a couple of months before the warranty expired. I bought him this one as a combo bday and xmas gift, and so I'll go with him tonight to use store credit... plus convince my bro to get yet another warranty.

One of my computers freaked out, and luckily it was barely within Dell's warranty period. That was a few months ago.

Hm. Oh yeah, a couple nights ago I was watching a movie, and I heard this faint, regularly repetitive clicking sound from the RS1. From the front row, can't hear it even with non-action movie. I cycled the power, still there. As off it was still there! (though don't know how long it persisted). It's been unplugged since, but Im wondering what happens when I fire it up again. I even started to suspect some insect in there... I really dunno... I'll have to get around to investigating more. I was careful not to touch the lamp itself when replacing.. but I dunno. Maybe I ought to check if I properly and flushly screwed the lamp in... Im at a loss for the moment. I still have .5 yr left on JVC, and 4.5 years left on Mack.

as for HSU, and other sealed subs, it's most likely a lot more than you might have been planning on spending, but the Rhythmiks have been getting good press.

http://www.rythmikaudio.com/products.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/subs/subintro.html

oh yeah, I just saw my first 103" Panny. Had lunch with friend, and they got one in the lobby. I took a couple of pics both front and back. I think if this was two years ago, Id be freaking out, but with a PJ, it still looks small! It's got 4 fans in the back, and is pretty thick. I've already talked this guy into the V 50" for his LR, to replace his dying RPTV that doesnt even accept 1080p inputs and is riddled with vertical streaks!

nice to chat with you again. Happy