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Now that the person has been bitten twice at work
Thanks. One correction, though ...
I didn't say the employee had been bitten.
From my perspective, the mere presence of bats in the workplace is a hazard since bats are (according to my infections disease specialist contact) the most frequent method for transmitting rabies to humans.
bats in the belfry and...
cat's in the cradle. There's a song there somewhere.
flys in the barnyard
bees in the bonnet
bug in your ear
the bird of paradise
may an elephant caress you with his toes
I believe there has to be more than the mere presence...
of a bat.
Rabies Transmission Through Non-Bite Exposure
Rabies transmission from non-bite exposures is rare. Scratches, abrasions, open wounds, or mucous membranes contaminated with saliva or other potentially infectious material (such as brain tissue) from a rabid animal, constitute non-bite exposures. Occasionally reports of non-bite exposure are such that post-exposure prophylaxis is given.
Inhalation of aerosolized rabies virus is also a potential non-bite route of exposure, but with the exception of laboratory workers, most people are unlikely to encounter an aerosol version of the rabies virus.
Other contact, such as petting a rabid animal, or contact with the blood, urine, or feces (e.g., guano) of a rabid animal, does not constitute an exposure and is not an indication for prophylaxis.
To get disease, yes. To pose a threat, no.
Mere presence of a bat does not transmit disease. Or at least we don't think so. Still, mere presence of the bat is a threat to health because bats can and sometimes do bite people. Rabies is transmitted by contact with saliva or brain material. I don't remember about blood contact. Unfortunately, many bats have such small teeth that their bites can go undetected. That is why the CDC recommends immunization of ALL people who sleep in buildings infested with bats. Workplace issues are more complex because people are not supposed to be asleep at work and because bats, being nocturnal, are less likely to be active during day shifts. Still, I would think that a bat infestation of an office building should not be ignored.
More good info. Thanks.
RE: I didn't say the employee had been bitten.
I guess the visitors tasted better than the employees. Perhaps that's why the employees/employer weren't concerned about having bats in their workplace. And OSHA wasn't getting involved.
I won't ask if it was at a Union workplace.
Is it dust particles from their droppings?
That is thought to be a mode with Hantavirus from certain rodents here in NM.
If so, I wonder why I've never heard of warnings to use dust masks when visiting our Carlsbad caverns.
BTW the cure injections for rabies are notoriously uncomfortable. What about the preventive ones?
I'm told the shots hurt ... but all shots do hurt some
The newest incarnation of the rabies vaccine is supposedly less painful than the older ones. I'm not sure just HOW MUCH better they are.
There has been some thinking that the guano can transmit disease but it is not proved so far as I know. The thinking is that people who developed rabies after spelunking were probably unaware that they had been bitten, rather than acquiring the disease from the droppings.
Thanks for the info.
I don't like injections, myself, but I was referring to the side effects afterward.
But, 'Can't make an omelet without breaking legs', or some such.
BTW I know a little of Pasteur's story- and not from the movies- but I just had this thought: If the cure is so painful I'm guessing there must have been some tense days after he began treating his first rabies victim. (A child, wasn't it?)
"No, Madame, the boy will improve, I promise."
A gutsy guy.
Bats are nothing more than a flying rodent and thus carry all the diseases that those mammals could carry. Plus, if the dodo gets in places that may not be desirable. However, only if the bat(s) do have contact and/or bite humans need not worry since most times they avoid contact with people. Most bats in natural environment do good vs harm unless they overwhelm the area. Alas, rabies are a common disease if exposed to it, but also mites, fleas, ticks and/or its prolonged presence, its dodo. -----Willy
Did you mean doodoo? I was puzzled by dodo.
The dodo bird was renowned for doing stupid things, which is why it's probably extinct now.
Do do what poop as in crapola..ship high in transit
Let's not get into academics...I'm sure you weren't that confused. -----Willy
Sorry for correction, bats are unrelated to rodents, Willy
Rodents are most easily identifiable by two large incisors on the upper and lower jaws, i.e. big front teeth. Mice, rats, rabbits squirrels etc. They constitute an Order unto themselves in that irritating tree of
******************** point at which two classifications diverge
Wikipedia on Rats
********************** point at which the two classifications diverge
Infraclass: Eutheria --- placental pregnancy
Superorder: Laurasiatheria --i.e. originated on the ancient Continent of Laurasia
Order: Chiroptera --- Flying Mammals of a certain set bone-structure.
"There are about 1,100 bat species worldwide, which represent about twenty percent of all classified mammal species." Wikipedia Bats
Bats in a hospital is a really serious problem, and could lead to a shut down until the route of entry is found and blocked.
I remember being very excited about finding a cave with bats in it in Cuba. Great cave, with a steel barred door not locked, a passageway opening into a large area, and then a second room through a narrowed entrance the centre of whose roof had fallen in, and in which tropical vegetation grew. Whenever I went, I'd take long clothes tuck my pants into my socks, long sleeves buttoned and a cap. I'd have been happier with a beekeepers hat with a veil all around. I knew I was running a risk, but I was younger then, and I found the place fascinating.
So I guess pigeons aren't rodents either. But many do call them that. -----Willy
They also call seagulls "Rats with wings" Rob
Around here, seagulls show that
spring is coming - not here yet (I have seen seagulls but there's snow on the ground) but coming.