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Bats in the ... workplace?

by Bill Osler / March 22, 2011 11:33 AM PDT

I've heard of bats in all kinds of places, but not in a US place of business. Until yesterday.

A patient has been exposed to bats twice recently during the workday.

People who have bats in their homes should be vaccinated against rabies, but it's awfully hard to find good, solid data about the risks of exposure to bats at work, and most of what I found relates to people who PLAN to handle bats. I tried looking for an OSHA standard, but it appears that 'bat' is a TLA (three letter acronym) for some sort of OSHA document. I never did find anything useful.

Some days are more interesting than others. And from a patient's perspective, being 'medically interesting' usually is not a good thing.

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Thanks. One correction, though ...
by Bill Osler / March 22, 2011 7:57 PM PDT

I didn't say the employee had been bitten.

From my perspective, the mere presence of bats in the workplace is a hazard since bats are (according to my infections disease specialist contact) the most frequent method for transmitting rabies to humans.

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bats in the belfry and...
by James Denison / March 22, 2011 9:41 PM PDT

cat's in the cradle. There's a song there somewhere.

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(NT) flys in the barnyard
by JP Bill / March 22, 2011 10:01 PM PDT
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bees in the bonnet
by James Denison / March 23, 2011 2:40 AM PDT
In reply to: flys in the barnyard

& owls in the barn

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(NT) bug in your ear
by JP Bill / March 23, 2011 3:21 AM PDT
In reply to: bees in the bonnet
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the bird of paradise
by James Denison / March 23, 2011 5:20 AM PDT
In reply to: bug in your ear

flew up your nose

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(NT) may an elephant caress you with his toes
by JP Bill / March 23, 2011 5:45 AM PDT
In reply to: the bird of paradise
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To get disease, yes. To pose a threat, no.
by Bill Osler / March 23, 2011 11:00 AM PDT

Mere presence of a bat does not transmit disease. Or at least we don't think so. Still, mere presence of the bat is a threat to health because bats can and sometimes do bite people. Rabies is transmitted by contact with saliva or brain material. I don't remember about blood contact. Unfortunately, many bats have such small teeth that their bites can go undetected. That is why the CDC recommends immunization of ALL people who sleep in buildings infested with bats. Workplace issues are more complex because people are not supposed to be asleep at work and because bats, being nocturnal, are less likely to be active during day shifts. Still, I would think that a bat infestation of an office building should not be ignored.

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(NT) More good info. Thanks.
by drpruner / March 24, 2011 3:39 AM PDT
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RE: I didn't say the employee had been bitten.
by JP Bill / March 23, 2011 3:20 AM PDT

I guess the visitors tasted better than the employees. Perhaps that's why the employees/employer weren't concerned about having bats in their workplace. And OSHA wasn't getting involved.

I won't ask if it was at a Union workplace.

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Is it dust particles from their droppings?
by drpruner / March 23, 2011 4:53 AM PDT

That is thought to be a mode with Hantavirus from certain rodents here in NM.
If so, I wonder why I've never heard of warnings to use dust masks when visiting our Carlsbad caverns.

BTW the cure injections for rabies are notoriously uncomfortable. What about the preventive ones?

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I'm told the shots hurt ... but all shots do hurt some
by Bill Osler / March 23, 2011 11:03 AM PDT

The newest incarnation of the rabies vaccine is supposedly less painful than the older ones. I'm not sure just HOW MUCH better they are.

There has been some thinking that the guano can transmit disease but it is not proved so far as I know. The thinking is that people who developed rabies after spelunking were probably unaware that they had been bitten, rather than acquiring the disease from the droppings.

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Thanks for the info.
by drpruner / March 24, 2011 3:38 AM PDT

I don't like injections, myself, but I was referring to the side effects afterward.

But, 'Can't make an omelet without breaking legs', or some such. Happy

BTW I know a little of Pasteur's story- and not from the movies- but I just had this thought: If the cure is so painful I'm guessing there must have been some tense days after he began treating his first rabies victim. (A child, wasn't it?)
"No, Madame, the boy will improve, I promise."
A gutsy guy.

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Aviodance
by Willy / March 23, 2011 12:25 AM PDT

Bats are nothing more than a flying rodent and thus carry all the diseases that those mammals could carry. Plus, if the dodo gets in places that may not be desirable. However, only if the bat(s) do have contact and/or bite humans need not worry since most times they avoid contact with people. Most bats in natural environment do good vs harm unless they overwhelm the area. Alas, rabies are a common disease if exposed to it, but also mites, fleas, ticks and/or its prolonged presence, its dodo. -----Willy Happy

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Dodo?
by wagga-wakka / March 23, 2011 12:37 AM PDT
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Did you mean doodoo? I was puzzled by dodo.

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being stupid
by James Denison / March 23, 2011 1:04 AM PDT
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The dodo bird was renowned for doing stupid things, which is why it's probably extinct now.

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Do do what poop as in crapola..ship high in transit
by Willy / March 23, 2011 9:50 AM PDT
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Let's not get into academics...I'm sure you weren't that confused. -----Willy

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Sorry for correction, bats are unrelated to rodents, Willy
by Ziks511 / March 23, 2011 2:29 AM PDT
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Rodents are most easily identifiable by two large incisors on the upper and lower jaws, i.e. big front teeth. Mice, rats, rabbits squirrels etc. They constitute an Order unto themselves in that irritating tree of
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
******************** point at which two classifications diverge
Order: Rodentia
Superfamily: Muroidea
Family: Muridae
Subfamily: Murinae
Genus: Rattus
Wikipedia on Rats

Bats are
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
********************** point at which the two classifications diverge
Infraclass: Eutheria --- placental pregnancy
Superorder: Laurasiatheria --i.e. originated on the ancient Continent of Laurasia
Order: Chiroptera --- Flying Mammals of a certain set bone-structure.
"There are about 1,100 bat species worldwide, which represent about twenty percent of all classified mammal species." Wikipedia Bats

Bats in a hospital is a really serious problem, and could lead to a shut down until the route of entry is found and blocked.

I remember being very excited about finding a cave with bats in it in Cuba. Great cave, with a steel barred door not locked, a passageway opening into a large area, and then a second room through a narrowed entrance the centre of whose roof had fallen in, and in which tropical vegetation grew. Whenever I went, I'd take long clothes tuck my pants into my socks, long sleeves buttoned and a cap. I'd have been happier with a beekeepers hat with a veil all around. I knew I was running a risk, but I was younger then, and I found the place fascinating.

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Academics
by Willy / March 23, 2011 9:52 AM PDT

So I guess pigeons aren't rodents either. But many do call them that. -----Willy

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(NT) They also call seagulls "Rats with wings" Rob
by Ziks511 / March 25, 2011 1:54 PM PDT
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Around here, seagulls show that
by Diana Forum moderator / March 26, 2011 1:44 AM PDT

spring is coming - not here yet (I have seen seagulls but there's snow on the ground) but coming.

Diana

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