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by EdH / March 1, 2007 10:14 PM PST

Note that this is happening at a PRIVATE SCHOOL, where parents PAY to send their kids. In other words, it's an evil CAPITALIST enterprise!

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Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.

A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.

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(NT) and they say communisms dead:(
by Mark5019 / March 1, 2007 10:40 PM PST
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john gault
by Billie Ann / March 28, 2007 6:56 AM PDT

Who is John Gault. Where will we all be when Atlas Shrugs?

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Re: private property ownership is evil.
by JP Bill / March 1, 2007 10:48 PM PST
In reply to: Banning Legos
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The start of Socialism?
by EdH / March 1, 2007 10:58 PM PST

Yes. Read it.

The children were allegedly incorporating into Legotown "their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys." These assumptions "mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society -- a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive."

...

At the end of that time, Legos returned to the classroom after the children agreed to several guiding principles framed by the teachers, including that "All structures are public structures" and "All structures will be standard sizes." The teachers quote the children:

"A house is good because it is a community house."

"We should have equal houses. They should be standard sizes."

"It's important to have the same amount of power as other people over your building."


Socialism is what they are teaching.

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Since you have that eminent domain thing going on
by JP Bill / March 1, 2007 11:14 PM PST

Perhaps everybody should get ready to be a Socialist..

I've had my toys taken away many times, and I've taken toys from others. look what I turned into.

Bye Bye.

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(NT) QED?
by Kiddpeat / March 4, 2007 11:29 PM PST
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RE: QED?
by JP Bill / March 4, 2007 11:45 PM PST
In reply to: QED?

Yes, it is for me, since I haven't posted on this subject for 3 days, so enjoy my last, last reponse.

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this explains alot
by Mark5019 / March 28, 2007 7:36 AM PDT

Since you have that eminent domain thing going on
by JP Bill - 3/2/07 7:14 AM
In reply to: The start of Socialism? by EdH

Perhaps everybody should get ready to be a Socialist..

I've had my toys taken away many times, and I've taken toys from others. look what I turned into.

Bye Bye.

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private property ownership is evil
by Billie Ann / March 28, 2007 7:01 AM PDT

I can't believe that the teachers shut down the motor of legotown. Sounds like disgruntled underpaid socialists are teaching those kids

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Which part of the following...
by Edward ODaniel / March 2, 2007 12:50 AM PST

gives you the most problem?

The teachers decided its destruction was an opportunity to explore "the inequities of private ownership." According to the teachers, "Our intention was to promote a contrasting set of values: collectivity, collaboration, resource-sharing, and full democratic participation."

The children were allegedly incorporating into Legotown "their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys." These assumptions "mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society -- a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive."


Not only Socialistic, but definitive of Communistic Societies.

Reading comprehension is a MUST unless the intent of a post is simply to take things south!

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RE: Not only Socialistic, but definitive of Communistic Soci
by JP Bill / March 2, 2007 1:08 AM PST
Not only Socialistic, but definitive of Communistic Societies.

Reading comprehension is a MUST unless the intent of a post is simply to take things south!


That's the reason i said

is the start of Socialism? (or whatever ism)

It appears YOU have a reading problem

Edh is the one that narrowed it down to socialism, NOT me.

Teaching Democratic participation in a Communist, Socialist society, not in the good ole days.

You can't post without insulting.


Bye Bye,
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I did a little reading, JP...
by J. Vega / March 2, 2007 2:29 AM PST

I did a little reading, JP Bill. The story said:
"The children were allegedly incorporating into Legotown 'their assumptions about ownership and the social power it conveys.' These assumptions "mirrored those of a class-based, capitalist society -- a society that we teachers believe to be unjust and oppressive."
They claimed as their role shaping the children's 'social and political understandings of ownership and economic equity ... from a perspective of social justice.'".
Moving along to the school's web site, I learned that it s a Reggio-inspired school. O.K., this would seem to indicate that a look at the Regio Emilia system would be in order.
Looking into that philosophy, I found the following in an article about it:
"In Reggio Emilia they believe children have an enormous potential and curiosity. Children strive to understand the world, making their own theories to explain how it functions. Children's knowledge needs to be brought out using their natural curiosity and not filled in. I Reggio Emilia they believe that each person constructs their own intelligence from direct interaction with the environment and in social groups.".
An example of this is an example given by a school using this system:
"So if a group of students decides the Pilgrims landed in Los Angeles, that becomes the reality, at least for a while. And if a boy describes a leeb,' when he means a leaf, that's 'writed' down too.
At Evergreen, several students' curiosity about gravity prompted the formation of "The Gravity Committee" to discuss why objects fall to the ground and stay there. And what was the dominant theory after three months of daily, transcribed discussion in Shafer's office? Pinpricks in the sky deliver this force to every household.
'Our goal is never to teach children the facts,' Shafer said. 'The goal is for them to engage in high-level thinking, so it doesn't really matter where it ends up.'
To anyone who thinks that sounds ridiculously permissive, Wise's Presnell points out that the children aren't even in kindergarten yet. As they move on to elementary schools, they will learn the Pilgrims found Massachusetts, with all its leaves.".
Bill, see the basic conflict with the philosohy of the Reggio system? "Our goal is never to teach children the facts" vs. the teachers in the case at hand believing that a capitalist society is "unjust and oppressive" and then proceeding to shape the children's view into their own.

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Response
by JP Bill / March 2, 2007 4:27 AM PST
About Early Childhood Programs at
Kendall Demonstration Elementary School


With Reggio Emilia, the child is viewed as an active learner. Each child is considered to be a capable, intelligent, and powerful individual who is an active participant in the development of knowledge, skills, and dispositions. Other key principles include: the environment as the 'third teacher'; learning through child-driven projects; curriculum that emerges from the collaboration of the children and the teachers; symbolic representation, especially through the visual arts; documentation of the learning process; and teachers as learners and researchers.

Because of the emergent nature of curricular focus within the Reggio approach, the topics and projects for each year are not pre-chosen. instead, they emerge from the interests of the children. Examples of projects for the 1998-99 school year included Western African family fife, bugs and insects, animal life-cycles, and rabbits. Developmentally appropriate concepts and skills are fostered within these child-based areas of focus.

Deaf and hard of hearing children are accepted into the Parent-Infant Program (PIP) as soon as a hearing loss is identified. This part of the program offers home visits, parent support groups, and classes at KDES. Emphasis in PIP is on the importance of play to encourage positive parent-child interactions and to foster growth in all areas, including language and cognition.


They might even learn how to "make change" without a cash register.
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(NT) whats legos got to do with change?
by Mark5019 / March 2, 2007 5:16 AM PST
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Do you recall
by JP Bill / March 2, 2007 5:27 AM PST

YOUR post that ended up with the math question, posed in Spanish (about making change).

Was your post about children "thinking for themselves"?

or were you trying to start a discussion about illegal aliens/immigrants?

I already know the answer

Bye, bye

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and as the op
by Mark5019 / March 2, 2007 6:14 AM PST
In reply to: Do you recall

Banning Legos - New!
by EdH - 3/2/07 6:14 AM

Note that this is happening at a PRIVATE SCHOOL, where parents PAY to send their kids. In other words, it's an evil CAPITALIST enterprise!

LINK

Some Seattle school children are being told to be skeptical of private property rights. This lesson is being taught by banning Legos.

A ban was initiated at the Hilltop Children's Center in Seattle. According to an article in the winter 2006-07 issue of "Rethinking Schools" magazine, the teachers at the private school wanted their students to learn that private property ownership is evil.


your mixed up jp we understand your confused ive made mistakes
but i admited them

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Bye, Bye?
by taboma / March 5, 2007 11:58 AM PST
In reply to: Do you recall

?you are still here!? I thought you left after saying Bye, Bye many times in a row!
Please be nice to Mark. Otherwise we cannot control Mark or his pet! :

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Such children do learn to 'make change'.
by Kiddpeat / March 4, 2007 11:32 PM PST
In reply to: Response

They learn that the amount of change is a creative decision. It doesn't need to be accurate.

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This further defined your failure to comprehend...

as YOU claim:

Edh is the one that narrowed it down to socialism, NOT me.

Not true as you replied to his original post in which the word socialism was conspicuous only becsuse it was NOT MENTIONED:
(Re: private property ownership is evil.
by JP Bill - 3/2/07 6:48 AM
In reply to: Banning Legos by EdH)
and thus became the FIRST to mention Socialism:

Kids prevented from fighting over who owns the toys being used to build a "pretend town" is the start of Socialism? (or whatever ism)


Definitive of a complete failure to comprehend what is written or said and to interject that failure into your own responses.

EdH did agree with your assessment that it was the start of socialism (your words).

Thus your own words give the lie to the rest of your words:

Edh is the one that narrowed it down to socialism, NOT me.
because all can see that it was you, not he but you just can't comprehend that.

Insulting? Nope, only pointing out an odious failure of yours that is repeated all too often as a courtesy to you to enable you to avoid your problem.

No need to thank me, just work on your comprehension skills as was suggested.

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Ed said it first
by JP Bill / March 5, 2007 2:53 AM PST

If a person believes, Ed's statement it's an evil CAPITALIST enterprise then (capitalism is EVIL) then they are teaching Socialism or some other kind of ism.

Don't socialists and communists think capitalism is EVIL?

There may be some other ism which believes capitalism is evil but it will still be an ism.

My last, last post is now moved up the ladder to my next to last, last post.

THIS IS my last post on this subject.

Subject to review.

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No, he didn't and all your ...
by Edward ODaniel / March 5, 2007 4:12 AM PST
In reply to: Ed said it first

feeble tap dancing won't alter that plain, simple, verifiable and unalterable fact.

You can have all the opinions you want but you have to work with the facts that are present and given.

Get a dictionary, you just keep reinforcing your obvious failure to comprehend and that is not something favorable to you but you are doing it to yourself.

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Did to
by JP Bill / March 5, 2007 4:20 AM PST

I said is the start of Socialism? (or whatever ism)

Do note the ?

EdH responded with

Yes. Read it.

Socialism is what they are teaching.


I asked a question "Which ism is it?"

EdH responded with Socialism

You said it was Communism

Argue with EdH

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Oh shucks! You broke your promise again.
by Kiddpeat / March 5, 2007 11:20 AM PST
In reply to: Did to

You did, he didn't.

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Note as well, that the children were not convinced...
by EdH / March 1, 2007 11:04 PM PST
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through any kind of rational argument. Rather they were bribed, or one might say, forced to spout the socialist nonsense.

At the end of that time, Legos returned to the classroom after the children agreed to several guiding principles framed by the teachers

Is that the lesson we want to teach the next generation?

Some obviously think so.

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Free market forces at work here Ed!
by grimgraphix / March 2, 2007 5:28 AM PST

Being a private school... the parents are paying for their kids to be taught this curriculum. They can choose to keep paying the school, ask for a different curriculum, or place their children somewhere else.

Is that the lesson we want to teach the next generation?

Does one class room reflect a generation's experience? I somehow don't think so.


Do I agree with what this class room taught? As the story is told... no. Somehow I have to wonder how accurate the story as been related to the reader. I'm just cynical like that.

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the equivalent of
by jonah jones / March 2, 2007 1:21 AM PST
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having a class of 14 yr olds run a mile, and when 2 don't/can't finish, you declare "ban sport" it's not fair to show up the 'impaired'.....


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I think we all can agree...
by grimgraphix / March 2, 2007 5:18 AM PST
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... that private property rights have been usurped beyond a reasonable degree by state and federal court decisions. I can't speak from educated knowledge to the common attitudes of the people of Washington State or their attitudes towards the widow's house being taken nor the 9 properties converted to shops and parking. Heck, from the 2 examples listed... I can't even speak to the frequency of eminent domain takeovers by Washington state or if it is more common there than in other parts of the country.

However, I fail to see anything more than an interesting coincidence between 1 private schools' exercise in exploring civic dynamics... and the municipal takeover of one house for a parking lot.

The author of the article and her background is listed as... "Maureen Martin, an attorney, is senior fellow for legal affairs at The Heartland Institute, a nonprofit organization based in Chicago that promotes free-market solutions to social and economic problems." As an attorney, I am surprised at the house of cards she has built here. The valid reflection of community attitudes by one private school is tenuous at best... trying to insinuate the school as a reflection of the entire state is... fascinating, to be polite. Her editing skills are to be applauded though. She has taken an outsiders view of a privately funded school class room and somehow turned it into a dangerous government trend where even the private educational system is part of the conspiracy. Fascinating!

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Clarification... I am not an attorney... she is...
by grimgraphix / March 2, 2007 5:20 AM PST

... and as such, she should gather her evidence a bit better than she has.

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Quite a stretch....
by EdH / March 2, 2007 5:34 AM PST
She has taken an outsiders view of a privately funded school class room and somehow turned it into a dangerous government trend where even the private educational system is part of the conspiracy. Fascinating!

She has done no such thing. She is making an astute and relevant observation, that's all.
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The connection is drivel...
by grimgraphix / March 2, 2007 5:56 AM PST
In reply to: Quite a stretch....

1 private school is in no way a representation of a state's attitude towards property rights.

It is also illuminating that the only reference given in your posted article about the school links to a picture of a magazines cover. Next term paper I turn in I may just give a bunch of pictures instead of footnotes... think I'll still get an "A"? Wink

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