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Auto Check Disk & Very Slow Boot

Aug 27, 2007 3:31PM PDT

I have a machine (xp pro) that automatically (and unnecessarily) auto checks the disk at every boot. Besides this, the boot takes very long -- including the auto check, it needs around 25 minutes to become completely stable. After that, any program takes around 5 times the normal time to run or close. However, after a program is running, working within that program is normal and as fast as before. (This is a school machine. Before summer break it was fine. Someone did something to it, and System Restore was not on....)

The Check Disk results are good -- it says no problems. Scans for viruses, spyware, registry problems have been done. Defrag says the disk doesn't need it. I have tried methods on the 'net to stop the auto disk check, but they either don't work or don't seem to apply.

Any ideas what else I could check?

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More info may be helpful....
Aug 27, 2007 3:48PM PDT

such as make, model, age of the machine.

But if this macnine belongs to the school, perhaps you should have their IT person look into the matter rather than taking it upon yourself to repair it. Unless of course, you are the IT person. Happy

Charlie

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Suspect Likely Software Conflicts...
Aug 27, 2007 3:52PM PDT

(multiple background guards fighting)or maybe MS Patches applied that caused problems for many. Seems likely that during summer some may have been applied and that person went on vacation forgetting to correct on return (apply new patches that repaired "old" troublesome ones).
Have a look in the CP>Add/Delete programs list for anything new in last 3 months.
Try a rootkit search as well.Rootkits won't be found by most AVs. Here's 2 Free ones:

http://www.f-secure.com/blacklight/
AVG Free Anti-Rootkit: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0
Also same page AVG Free A-S:

One other thought: Does machine have more than 1 HD (C: + another)?
Have seen posts suggesting MS Sys Restore messes up IF monitoring more than 1 drive at a time. Happened to me shortly ago & I have no idea WHO or WHAT turned it back on monitoring 2nd drive. Soon as I found & re-disabled on "local disk F:", & rebooted , weird symptoms vanished.
Good luck!! Happy

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As well as the other good advice given..
Aug 27, 2007 6:27PM PDT

what would happen if you forced the issue yourself?

In your hard drive's System properties, (My Computer, right click the hard drive, select Properties), under the Tools tab, click the "Check now" button under Error checking. It should ask you to reboot and then check the disk before it loads Windows.

Do that in turn for each hard disk if you have more than one.

This may reset the flag that is telling Windows to perform the error checking on the next boot.

If you are not the IT for your school then leave it for them.

Mark

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Thank You
Aug 27, 2007 10:23PM PDT

Thank you all for your ideas. I will try the ones I haven't tomorrow.

As for the IT person, let's just say I was given the responsibility mid-term unexpectedly and am challenged to fix and maintain as needed.

The machines are 5-year old IBMs, each with two XP Pro OSes and three drives. I have never imagined a wackier bunch of machines. Most of the 40 work fine, but 5 or 6 have their problems. A few "rejected" the SP2 installation, but most have been upgraded, have all updates and work well enough.

One other thing I should mention about the machine in question is that I noticed that while it is being used there is a click-tick, click-tick sound coming from it, the same sound it makes when it's turned on, like a relay clicking. I'm thinking now that maybe something is physically wrong with something mechanical. What would cause a sporadic click-tick when the hard drive gets busy?

Thanks again, I will experiment with it some more tomorrow.

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Partial Success -- Update
Aug 28, 2007 9:46PM PDT

I tried all suggestions here. Thanks again. Finally, I realized that it was the F drive that was being "check disked" at every start up. A deliberate "check disk" on that drive, including automatically fixing errors, ended in allowing me to defrag it. Now Check Disk does not run at start up, so that problem is (I believe) solved, but the boot up time still takes 4 or 5 times the norm. The hard disk seems to be busy sorting things out, but the whole boot takes 5 or 6 minutes.

I didn't have enough time today, but I'm hoping that I can get it settled into a tolerable boot cycle.

If there is anything else I might try, please let me know.

Thanks again.

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Glad that worked
Aug 28, 2007 10:04PM PDT

It was a trick I worked out with my old Windows ME machine some years ago. It had a C drive and a 2nd hard disk partitioned into D, E and F drives, (why I did that then I don't know!). Often on a system crash or failed shutdown it would slip into the Check Disk cycle for one or the other of the disks on a reboot. I learned to carry out a "quick" check on them all whenever this happened. I'm not sure if the quick check is available on XP and above.

Now to the other problems.

Is that machine still ticking? If so, then maybe that drive F is on it's way out. That might explain the constant error checking. What happens if you remove that disk temporarily? Does the ticking go away, and does the boot time improve?

You don't say what's on that F drive, but if it is important, you may want to back it up before disconnecting it. Disconnecting may send it south finally if it is heading that way.

If that doesn't solve the boot time then we need to move on to "Unwanted Startup programs and Services". Grif's guidance on "How to shut down unnecessary startup programs" here may help.

That guidance also talks about stopping unnecessary services.

Let us know how you get on.

Mark

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Two OSes
Aug 29, 2007 4:04PM PDT

These machines all have a C and F hard drive, with XP Pro installed on each. (I have no idea why -- anyone can freely access either.)

The trouble with this particular machine is with the F drive, and I guess from the clicking sounds (as you said) that the F drive is going away. Even though it doesn't go through check disk anymore and everything else checks out, it still takes about 10 minutes to fully boot. I'm just going to accept that the disk is shot and see if the school wants to bother repairing it or not.

Thanks for the help.