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As Usual, Sarah Palin Was Right

Mar 1, 2014 12:02AM PST

Only the fools who mocked and ridiculed her were wrong, that also, as usual.

Vindication

"During the 2008 presidential campaign, Republican vice presidential
nominee Sarah Palin warned that if Senator Barack Obama were elected
president, his "indecision" and "moral equivalence" may encourage
Russia's Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine.
Palin said then:

After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's
reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of
response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine
next.

For those comments, she was mocked by the high-brow Foreign Policy magazine and its editor Blake Hounshell, who now is one of the editors of Politico magazine.
In light of recent events in Ukraine and concerns that Russia is
getting its troops ready to cross the border into the neighboring
nation, nobody seems to be laughing at or dismissing those comments now."

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Prepare for Obama's War With Russia
Mar 1, 2014 12:10AM PST
Uh, remember that Treaty we signed?

"A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and
Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if
President Putin's troops cross into the country.Bill
Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma - the then-rulers
of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest
Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics
after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.The revelation comes as reports suggest the Kremlin was moving up to 2,000 troops across the Black Sea from
Novorossiysk to their fleet base at Sevastopol. At
least 20 men wearing the uniform of the Russian fleet and carrying
automatic rifles surrounded a Ukrainian border guard post in a standoff
near the port yesterday.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570335/Former-British-Ambassador-Moscow-warns-Russia-invaded-Ukraine-difficult-avoid-going-war.html#ixzz2ujC3R17z
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If only we could immediately swap Obama out for Sarah instead, but instead we will have to watch him screw things up even worse than we first imagined he could.
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RE: If only we could
Mar 1, 2014 4:44AM PST

If only we could immediately swap Obama out for Sarah instead.

AND...IF she were President?

Sarah would?

Go it alone...USA! USA!USA!

Force other countries to assist?

It wasn't clear what tools the U.S. and its allies have to deter Russia from escalating the situation.

"There could be trade or financial sanctions on Russia," said Daniel Serwer, senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "The problem is no one wants to go back to a Cold War."

A full invasion of Ukraine could risk interrupting deliveries of Russian gas to other European nations and further destabilizing a country that's already on the brink of default and elected a new government only this week. Gazprom today reiterated that Ukraine owes $1.55 billion for supplies of Russian gas, RIA said, citing company officials.


Do you really want to start dropping bombs?

Got any other suggestions, or is a swap your only suggestion?

You think it cost money to find a cure for HIV...wait till you see the price of another war.

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Two Left Feet
Mar 1, 2014 7:07AM PST
"If only we could immediately swap Obama out for Sarah instead.
AND...IF she were President?
Sarah would?
Go it alone...USA! USA!USA!"


Treaty

"Force other countries to assist?"

Treaty

"It wasn't clear what tools the U.S. and its allies have to deter Russia from escalating the situation.
"There could be trade or financial sanctions on Russia," said Daniel Serwer, senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "The problem is no one wants to go back to a Cold War."


Treaty

"A full invasion of Ukraine could risk interrupting deliveries of Russian gas to other European nations and further destabilizing a country that's already on the brink of default and elected a new government only this week. Gazprom today reiterated that Ukraine owes $1.55 billion for supplies of Russian gas, RIA said, citing company officials."

Treaty

"Do you really want to start dropping bombs?
Got any other suggestions, or is a swap your only suggestion?
You think it cost money to find a cure for HIV...wait till you see the price of another war."


Only you would start with an all out war concept? Let's hope Obama isn't that foolish. Are you aware of what "Cold War" refers to? Did you interpret that as all out war? Keep tripping over your two left feet, don' t ya?
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RE; Are you aware of what "Cold War" refers to?
Mar 1, 2014 11:18AM PST

Yes...I am.

From MY post

"It wasn't clear what tools the U.S. and its allies have to deter Russia from escalating the situation.
"There could be trade or financial sanctions on Russia," said Daniel Serwer, senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "The problem is no one wants to go back to a Cold War."

When I said Do you really want to start dropping bombs? You thought I thought THAT was a "Cold War"?

James, James, James...what am I going to do with you.

What are your feelings of having every member of the Olympics from the countries that were signatory to the "treaty" send their medals back to Russia...That'll show em.

You haven't answered this question yet.

Got any other suggestions, or is a swap Presidents your only suggestion?

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PS so there is less confusion
Mar 1, 2014 11:27AM PST

Definition/Examples of a Cold War

It wasn't clear what tools the U.S. and its allies have to deter Russia from escalating the situation.
"There could be trade or financial sanctions on Russia," said Daniel Serwer, senior fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington. "The problem is no one wants to go back to a Cold War.

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Right on James
Mar 1, 2014 4:51AM PST

Let's bring in Condoleezza Rice too as VP. What a force to be reckoned with.
Digger

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(NT) Actually Condi would be a more credible candidate than Sarah
Mar 1, 2014 12:24PM PST
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I doubt you read this far or you might not have posted.
Mar 1, 2014 1:25PM PST

" Moscow has been sending mixed signals about Ukraine but pledged to respect its territorial integrity. Putin has long dreamed of pulling Ukraine, a country of 46 million people considered the cradle of Russian civilization, closer into Moscow's orbit.

" Meanwhile, Swiss prosecutors announced they had launched a criminal investigation against Yanukovych and his son Aleksander over 'aggravated money laundering.'

" They said police and Geneva's chief prosecutor conducted a search and seized documents Thursday at the premises of a company owned by Aleksander Yanukovych.

" Switzerland and Austria both said they would freeze any assets Yanukovych and his entourage might have in those countries.

" Ukraine's population is divided in loyalties between Russia and the West, with much of western Ukraine advocating closer ties with the European Union while eastern and southern regions look to Russia for support."

The eastern part of what used to be the Ukraine has been linguistically and ethnicly Russian for centuries, and the Ukrainians hate the Russians.

The Vikings sailed and rowed into Russia and the Ukraine, and were the first to set up cities rather than villages, and to found various noble houses. Kiev was a great centre of culture when Moscow was still a town. Additionally the western Ukraine and Ukrainian Catholics look to Europe and Rome, whereas Eastern Ukraine and the Russian Orthodox Russians look to Moscow. It was the influence from the Western Ukraine which was in touch with most of Europe which dragged the Russians toward civilization until Peter the Great finally completed the process. He travelled and worked in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands and in England before returning to Moscow to tell them, they were going to drain a swamp and build a new capitol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great

The Ukraine is split in half by the River Don, with Ukrainians to the West and Russians to the East. Frankly, That's how it should be now, two separate states, but Putin the KGB guy won't let that happen. He thinks he's John Wayne. That should make him your sort of guy, James.

Rob

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First, she isn't right, if she had been we would have seen
Mar 1, 2014 12:21PM PST

Putin move long before this. Second you're completely discounting the Ukrainians' part in all this. Without the behaviour of that crook Yanukovytch as President of the Ukraine, none of this would have ever happened. BTW, I assume you have heard that the river behind his palatial home was full of Government papers which has caused the investigation of the Ukrainian State Treasury which appears to have 37 billion dollars missing. No? Another example of deep Palin-influenced understanding of a complex situation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/ukraine-crisis-economy-idUSL6N0LW44M20140227

And of course you're assuming that Barack Obama will leap into the Ukraine, which he won't, despite how much you'd like him to pick a fight 9000 miles away in Russia's breast pocket. Unlike Republicans: Reagan in Lebanon, and how well that turned out! Bush the Littler in Iraq the second time. Or Nixon breaking his promise regarding getting out of Viet Nam. Not a great track record there, James. Unlike those solipsistic pin heads, Obama is far too smart to make a stupid move internationally. His Libyan venture turned out tolerably well, but then he had Europe behind him.

Putin is a narcissistic autocrat in a kleptocracy. It isn't about who is President in the US. It's all about HIM, not about anyone else anywhere. He isn't about to see the Ukraine waltz off and be friends with anyone else, any more than Obama would sit by and watch Russia march into Mexico.

But Reagan did vanquish Grenada. How proud you must feel over that great victory. Talk about crushing an ant with a sledgehammer.

And beside, Palin (Palin, Putin, Putin, Palin; one narcissist clearly recognized another.) is 5 year old news. You are stuck in the past, and she lit her own funeral pyre by not knowing anything substantive about ... anything. Not about America, not about its history, not about its government, nor policy, nor foreign affairs nor so far as could be discovered during the campaign about anything else. McCain would have run a stronger campaign with a more credible VP candidate.

Charles Gibson and Katie Couric gave her a perfect platform if she had had any coherent ideas to put before the
'Merkan people. What she demonstrated was that she was just a housewife from Wasilla, and hubby was the brains of the outfit.

Rob