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As I said..."Suicide by cop" progressivism

by TONI H / December 6, 2014 8:25 PM PST
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"helping" someone commit suicide
by JP Bill / December 6, 2014 8:48 PM PST

puts a "smile" on your face?

ok...doesn't work for me, but

RE: progressivism (?)

I think it's more assuming facts not in evidence.

IF he wanted to commit suicide...Why was he shouting "I can't breath"?

I guess that's easier than shouting

"OK that's tight enough, just keep that amount of pressure on my throat and weight on my chest for 2 minutes."

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(NT) Correction ......"I can't breathe"?
by JP Bill / December 6, 2014 8:50 PM PST
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Ever consider
by TONI H / December 6, 2014 8:56 PM PST

how hard chest compressions need to be with an obese man of 350 lbs when he's in the midst of a heart attack? Just because the ME found chest compression to be a factor in his death, there was no medical report to prove HOW those compressions came to be........they could have come from someone trying to keep him alive.

As for that 'choke hold'....there was no fracture, he was able to say 11 times, "I can't breathe", but he also never said "I have asthma". Cops are trained that if they can talk, they're able to breathe it so they continue with the take down. A true 'choke hold' puts pressure on the arteries in your neck cutting off your blood supply to the brain and causes you to pass out........it doesn't stop you from breathing.

HE challenged the police.....knowing he had a record and knew what to expect when you challenge cops. In my opinion.......he called their bluff and lost......actions have consequences and he was willing to pay the ultimate price. HIS decision.

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Doesn't matter...
by JP Bill / December 6, 2014 9:01 PM PST
In reply to: Ever consider

HE didn't want to die/commit suicide.

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Then
by TONI H / December 6, 2014 9:13 PM PST
In reply to: Doesn't matter...

he shouldn't have challenged cops when he knew what would happen based on his past experiences with law enforcement.......

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RE: he knew what would happen based on his past experiences
by JP Bill / December 6, 2014 9:22 PM PST
In reply to: Then

He KNEW he would die?

How come he didn't die the last time he had an encounter with the police?

Exactly what was different THIS TIME that made him die?

Every other time he survived.

Tell everyone the answer to that.

Last chance to 'Splane yourself Lucy.

"suicide by cop"? I don't think so.

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huh?
by James Denison / December 7, 2014 12:48 AM PST
In reply to: Ever consider
he was able to say 11 times, "I can't breathe", but he also never said "I have asthma".

My friend tells me he has asthma, I say "that's too bad, got medicine?" My same friend says "I can't breathe" I'm rushing him to the hospital. Which statement carries more weight?

when I was in AF, I got tired of people bumming cigarettes off me, so started charging them a quarter each or no cigarette. That's illegal?! Should the on base security police all jump on me for it? who do you think would have been in the most trouble? Me, or them? I know the answer to that one, do you?
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Which carries more weight.....
by TONI H / December 7, 2014 1:55 AM PST
In reply to: huh?

I'm only suggesting that if he had the ability to say "I can't breathe", he also had the ability to say "I have asthma, and that's why I can't breathe". If the cops had been made aware of his asthma, it might have actually carried weight, but when someone can say that many times that he can't breathe, it isn't going to mean much to a cop or anyone else other than an excuse to make them stop taking him down (just like a kid who is being tickled and begins crying because it gets to be too much stimulus.......when you know 'why' he's crying, you stop). Garner had asthma for quite a while from what I understand, and if he needed the cops to stop, he could have told them why he was having difficulty breathing....if he could inhale and talk that often, he had a responsibility to himself to inform them.

Lots of people have also suggested that they should have used a stun gun on him instead....the shock of that alone would have probably stopped him from breathing or given him a heart attack instead.

MY suggestion is that he knew he was ill, he knew he was breaking the law AGAIN, he knew there were five cops there, he knew he was huge and only one cop wasn't going to be able to handle him alone, he knew what to expect if he resisted arrest, and he chose the actions he took........he didn't intend for the results to be what they were, but his actions have culpability and he was an indirect accessory to his own demise.

And....the local government created a specific task force to arrest people like him who are selling 'loosies' and illegal cigarettes. When a store owner calls in a complaint and can point the finger at the person taking business away from them by breaking those laws, are the police now supposed to become BO and ignore the laws they don't like to enforce?

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that's the most passive resistance
by James Denison / December 7, 2014 2:11 AM PST

I think I've ever seen.

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RE: he didn't intend for the results to be what they were,
by JP Bill / December 7, 2014 4:16 AM PST

he didn't intend

Then stop using the term "suicide" by cops.

Suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death

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Whether he intended to die or not
by TONI H / December 7, 2014 4:26 AM PST

HE forced the issue that caused his death..........many criminals do that because they vow not to go back to jail and it's seen as 'suicide by cop'. Spin it any way you want, but he's dead because of his own actions forcing the issue. And if a completely new autopsy was performed, as has been done in other controversial cases, I believe the conclusion would be different from 'homicide'.......because many credible cops have seen that tape and they have all agreed that it was NOT a choke hold in that video. It was a classic 'artery hold' that normally causes someone to pass out or at the very least fall to the ground as you can see in that tape....it doesn't cut off air.....and wrestlers use it all the time as a normal hold to subdue.

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RE:Spin it any way you want, it's seen as 'suicide by cop'.
by JP Bill / December 7, 2014 4:55 AM PST

Not by me.....You're the one doing the spinning.

Suicide by Cop

by Kevin Caruso

Suicide by Cop occurs when people want to die but do not want to kill themselves. So they put themselves in a position where a police officer is forced to shoot them.



Selling individual cigs is an offense that would get someone shot?

IF, as you claim, he wanted to die, what did he need money for?


It was a classic 'artery hold' that normally causes someone to pass out or at the very least fall to the ground as you can see in that tape....it doesn't cut off air.....wrestlers use it all the time as a normal hold to subdue

Rasslin' is FAKE. MMA is REAL

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"suicide by citizen"
by James Denison / December 9, 2014 10:58 AM PST

why do they never use that term when a cop becomes so abusive the person has to fight back to preserve their life and ends up killing the cop?

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He was just tired of getting hassled.
by Diana Forum moderator / December 11, 2014 11:15 AM PST

Even if he were selling loosies, is that a capital offense or even a jail sentence. It sounds like a ticket and court appearance.

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If the punishment was going to be such a small thing
by TONI H / December 11, 2014 8:48 PM PST

Why resist?

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(NT) I thought if said - he was tired of getting hassled.
by Diana Forum moderator / December 12, 2014 2:20 AM PST
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remember cigar girls
by James Denison / December 13, 2014 7:35 AM PST

more often in swanky hotels. It's illegal now?

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(NT) Cigars are normally sold one at a time rather than in a pack
by Diana Forum moderator / December 13, 2014 9:44 AM PST
In reply to: remember cigar girls
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so what?!
by James Denison / December 13, 2014 10:03 PM PST

That's just a marketing decision. Who has the right to say how one might market a product? God knows there's some ads I'd love to see removed from TV, especially all the Cialis and Viagra ones.

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Why is selling loosies illegal?
by Diana Forum moderator / December 13, 2014 10:48 PM PST
In reply to: so what?!

The taxes were paid when the seller bought the pack.

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RE: Why is selling loosies illegal
by JP Bill / December 13, 2014 11:43 PM PST

because they don't have a Cigarette Tax sticker on them stating tax has been paid and they can't tell if they were imported illegally

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