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Arizona immigration law lawsuits

Jul 30, 2010 5:38PM PDT

Here's what it really boils down to. How many think those that are not here legally have a right to be here illegally without having their legal status checked by legal personnel? That's the whole issue in a nutshell.

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How so?
Jul 31, 2010 6:26AM PDT

Under what circumstances should an individual be asked to show a permit?

How is that silly?

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Well, anytime they are legally stopped and....
Jul 31, 2010 8:59AM PDT

found to be in possession of a weapon that requires a special permit would seem to be fair.

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(NT) If they are illegal, then no rights.
Jul 31, 2010 6:16AM PDT
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(NT) exactly.. so this issue must be about something else, right?
Jul 31, 2010 6:25AM PDT
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(NT) The rights of the police to uphold the law.
Jul 31, 2010 9:01AM PDT
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Do police have "rights" as you are using the term?
Jul 31, 2010 9:32AM PDT

Police have duties when it comes to enforcing the law... responsibilities if you will.

Police in the US have no special "rights" other than the rights afforded to every US citizen.

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Every citizen has the right to...
Jul 31, 2010 11:00AM PDT

...protect their country from illegal invasion, and any right or power to the government is not inherent in the government, but rather derived from those citizens. Arizona citizens have decided that right will best be exercised by their state.

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No, Mark...
Jul 31, 2010 6:55AM PDT

Mark, an illegal has some rights, but they do not have all of the rights of a legal citizen. You could say the same thing about a tourist visiting from another country. A cop couldn't do certain things to a tourist, even though they are not a citizen. To claim that an illegal has no rights at all is not an accurate statement.

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Pickity?
Jul 31, 2010 7:11AM PDT

I wasn't particularly commenting on right to life, or other fundamental things like that. I mean I would be quite annoyed if I was a tourist in a country and a policeman shot me dead just for being a tourist.

But then I guess you knew that wasn't what I meant.

Do they have a right of 'not being stopped and questioned'? Perhaps that's the law in the US, and if so that's that.

Mark

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(NT) yep
Jul 31, 2010 8:55AM PDT
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The other day...
Aug 1, 2010 4:04AM PDT

The other day I got a letter saying that I had been selected for jury duty. My state gets names for potential jury duty from several sources, including things like telephone listings and tenant listings. This could result in a non-citizen being called up for jury duty.
The letter had a questionnaire to be filled out and returned before before the report date. The first question on it was are you a citizen? Considering the current Arizona situation and ruling, should the State be forbidden from asking this question?

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just curious
Aug 1, 2010 11:43AM PDT

at what point did it become 'uncomfortable' for Arizona
to have illegals?

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That would be hard to say
Aug 1, 2010 12:19PM PDT

They've been complaining about it for a long time and they've gotten nowhere. The vast numbers of them are overwhelming the systems ability to absorb them though. All of those that jump to defend them really don't get the big financial picture that's involved. They'd all do well to view this segment of Immigration By The Numbers. It does a great job of illustrating the problem.