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Are you loving or hating Windows 10? Need your feedback

Sep 16, 2016 4:20PM PDT

I'm one of the people who missed the deadline for the free upgrade to Windows 10. Long story short, I procrastinated and was traveling overseas on the expiration date and forgot all about it. Of course, no one to blame but myself. I was planning to wipe my desktop clean and start fresh with Windows 8.1 again, but since I was going through that process, I figured I might as well move on to Windows 10. However, before I go download and pay for it, I'd like to get your opinion on it since many people have been using it for quite some time. Do you love or hate it or are you somewhere in between? Any reason not to upgrade to it? If I do get Windows 10, do you recommend that I do a clean install from scratch, or should I install it directly over Windows 8.1? My system hardware requirements are more than capable of handling 10, and my software programs are fairly current so I'm not worried about the incompatibilities. Thank you for your feedback.

--Submitted by Peter M.

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Best of Class
Sep 23, 2016 10:42PM PDT

Windows 10 is definitely the best OS that Microsoft has developed.
My suggestion is for a clean installation. If your hardware is up to snuff, you should experience no difficulties. Windows 10 is tightly integrated with Intel's chipsets and this gives you an extremely high security experience.
If your computer has a fingerprint reader, all the better. If it has a camera, you should be ready for the latest retinal scan security. If you have a Windows Smartphone, you will be able to move seamlessly between those devices. Even with an Android phone, you can use something like ATT's Locker to access the files in either direction.
You can easily switch between screens by using the Windows key and the ability to run any program on your computer by just typing a few letters of the program name is a real time-saver, especially since you do not have to remember where it is located!
One of the smartest things that Microsoft has ever done is to unify the codebase. Not only does it allow the user to smoothly move between devices, but it allows developers to reuse code and basically write software that runs seamlessly on all devices.

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Go for it
Sep 23, 2016 10:49PM PDT

I will not say i love Win10 but there's not much to dislike. It is quite customizable and one can disable any feature one doesn't want. It has a certain smoothness in its operation and boot-up is quite fast. I suggest you go for it.

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Don't do it.
Sep 23, 2016 11:01PM PDT

Unless you know WHY you are changing to W10, don't. I am not very computer savvy, but I find W10 a pain to use. Finding files is more complicated than with WXP or W7. Overall, W10 is for me a lot of hype about nothing.

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Love or Hate Win 10
Sep 23, 2016 11:02PM PDT

Having got to grips with Windows H'eight I'll stick with it, by the time I need to replace this laptop I guess they'll be up to Win 15, If In Doubt, Do Nowt.

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I'm hating Windows 10
Sep 23, 2016 11:07PM PDT

I have not upgraded, still using Windows 7. Several other relatives and friends switched and all I get from them are complaints about W10. After agonizing through the changes in application names and unnecessary file system oddities, I swore I would never change to another Microsoft OS, and I'm sticking to that decision. MS is half-way back to calling their file manager "File Manager"; they did that useless change from CHKDSK to ScanDsk, then back to CHKDSK. When they stop supporting Windows 7 (if I am still alive) I will make the change to Linux total and complete. I am halfway there now, only hanging on to Win7 because there is no Quicken version for Linux yet. I don't understand why Intuit hasn't made it compatible with Linux yet; they must have made a deal with MS to keep MS from losing Windows customers. I know, I could run Virtual Windows in Linux, but that defeats the purpose of using Linux.

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@mach37 - Go for Linux now...
Sep 23, 2016 11:27PM PDT

I've switched to Linux Mint 18/Cinnamon running Windows in a VirtualBox (Oracle's VMM). I spend about half my time in the virtual machine. Oracle has done such a good job with VirtualBox (running in "seamless" mode) that it's like having Win & Linux in the same execution space. I run the Windows VM with no Internet access, no firewall, and no anti-virus, and it's faster than a sneeze. I do my web browsing (Pale Moon) and email (T'bird) entirely in Linux. You should give it a try (and give yourself a break). HTH.

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Windows 10 installed, OneDrive link disabled.
Sep 23, 2016 11:28PM PDT

I downloaded the upgrade from 8.1 to 10 then installed 10. It was fairly seamless and simple. Only real recent complaint is OneDrive. My email account with Cox uses Windows Live. When I wanted to send a batch of photos in an email I would select "Album," go to my photo file and pick the photos I wanted to send, and tap Enter. Windows Live would create a photo thumbnail grid in the body of my email letter, the email recipient could select "view" or "download" in the grid and be transported to OneDrive where the link in the email sent the recipient. The photos were visible in OneDrive and the email recipient could download the full-sized photo files. I noticed several months ago that the OneDrive email feature was broken. I would find the email file sitting in the outbox, never to be sent. The Microsoft forum on OneDrive is full of similar complaints. Apparently, in one of the many Windows 10 "updates" OneDrive photo emails was disabled. No explanation and, I guess, no concern for restoring the feature. Otherwise, Windows 10 has worked well on my desktop with non-touchscreen monitor.

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love/hate win 10?
Sep 23, 2016 11:37PM PDT

How about neither? It is ok, and it is kind of fun to work with an ever-changing environment (you can guess which track I am on)
However to answer your question, I had to clean reinstall after the fiasco when one of the updates blew my system up (I forget which build that was), but I had upgraded from win 7 pro originally and had no fundamental problems with win10 until then.
On the other hand, I upgraded my wife's 8.0/8.1 notebook to win 10, and never looked back.
I would guess that if your current system is clean and not experiencing problems, your result will be just fine by upgrading. And there will be fewer things to set up again. I have always suspected that some of the problems which are reported are due to the condition the previous operating system was in at the time of the upgrade.

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Finally, a mature yet playful OS that's easy to use.
Sep 24, 2016 12:19AM PDT

Windows 10 combined with Office 2016 is a joy to use, and ultimately is an OS finally on par with OSX. I've been using both Apples and PCs since Windows 2 days, and always preferred the Apple versions. But now I run Windows 10 on all my macs (via Parallels Desktop 12) and I actually enjoy being on the Windows side of my machines as I do on the Apple side. I also run a Windows Server on one of my macs, and that makes things like SQL, Sharepoint and Project Server possible. Very nice. It only took 20 years Happy

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May not be to late.
Sep 24, 2016 12:21AM PDT

Hi,

I downloaded the Microsoft Tool to force the Win 10 upgrade. Choose the Install on another computer option and it created an iso file on a 4Gb flash drive. Have just tested the link and it still works:- https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

(Information & Link on the Forbes site. Worth downloading Produkey as well from the site to get your Win 10 Product key.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/07/30/windows-10-updating-reinstalling-and-activation-guide-essential-advice-to-avoid-problems/#6cbc52521454)

i can still do the upgrades as long as I defer updates while updating to Windows 10.

Not sure if they have changed the present download but worth a try.

I love Win 10 with the anniversary update more like win 7 than ever.

Presently running it on both my Desktop & Laptop.

Only thing I don't like is if I go into Control Panel and View Devices & Printers unlike Win 7 I have to wait for it to do a search rather than just bringing the up like Win 7.

That's my only complaint.

Trust this helps.

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Stick with Win7
Sep 24, 2016 12:23AM PDT

Hi:
Summary: Stick to Win7.
Recently my desktop crashed and the repair men told me it was a write off - I had to buy a new piece. It came with Win10 pre-installed. I tried to argue with the shop but they told me they wouldn't install the drivers for the system if I wanted it clean. I hate Win10: (1) it gives me NOTHING that Win7 wasn't already giving me. (2) It forces innumerable 'Try' programs - over 20 at last count, and I don't know which ones I can delete and which ones I can't. Win10 doesn't allow some of them to be 'Removed'. (3) Win10 crashed and the hard disk had to be re-formatted within 1 month of purchase - I was installing my accounts software, nothing more. I was told there was a 'graphics' problem. Why there should be a graphics conflict between Win10 and an accounting program - don't ask. I was told by HP online assistance to use the System Recovery disks. It aborted saying it can't recover and that I MUST re-format and re-install Win10. And the previous week's work was down the drain since I was working flat out and had neglected back-ups. Yeah, it's all my fault. (4) The updates downloader informed me I needed updates installed - then flashed a warning that I was at risk because installation had failed! When I took it back to the shop, it took them an hour to figure out that the pre-installed McAfee antivirus was preventing updates for Windows from happening. Solution: remove McAfee!!! Wow!! Are we progressing! (5) Finally, don't ask me how many times the system just doesn't respond to mouse clicks or keyboard - I can't pin that on software. (6) Win10 is very possessive about 'default' programs. Hard to change to other than MS programs. Can be done, just a nuisance.
Oh, and (7) a lot of my old games won't run anymore.
This is an HP system, not a gray market assembled piece. The reseller is an official one, not some hole in the corner.
If you must install, do it Clean because, that way, you'll have all your data compulsorily saved before hand rather than go frantic about it when it crashes. Also, you'll be clear about what programs will run and what won't.
Note: No, I didn't reinstall McAfee afterwards. I don't know what further problems could arise.

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Yes on Win7
Sep 24, 2016 4:56PM PDT

Aside from Windows7 doing everything I want with a PC (I am not into touch-screen), I also totally avoid McAfee antivirus. I have avoided it since it nagged me to death back in 2004 during the free trial period on a new Dell 3000. I tried McAfee once again some months later, a paid version, and again the nags repeated. I wonder how many software companies have gone out of business because they didn't know how to treat their customers.

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Good by Windows I'm off to Apple.
Sep 24, 2016 1:10AM PDT

What an adventure this Windows Update has been. I had never noticed that there were three options to the Close Down thinking that it was just Close Down and Restart but two nights ago I noticed that something like “Update and then Close Down” had been included. So having noticed that there had been a few comments on this subject recently I dutifully selected that and went to bed expecting to get up the next day, switch the computer on and resume normal service. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The first thing I saw was not a welcoming screen where I hit the return key and then keyed in my Pin number but a frozen screen which took me ten minutes to open then I saw a message telling me not to switch off but to let the updates be installed which was what I thought had happened the previous night.
After half an hour or so the normal screen presented itself, I hit “Return” and keyed my normal four figure digits into the space which was promptly ignored. Windows had lost my normal Pin number perhaps. I then keyed in a series of Passwords just in case and eventually one was accepted so my first question to Windows is, “What the hell happened to introduce a new Pin number?”
I then spent the day on my machine until I wanted to switch it off and the old Icon, call it what you will was gone and in its place was a list of applications I had not seen before and a column of pretty pictures which when one hovered the curser over them told you what it was and by a process of checking each one I eventually found the one for Power.
The first Email I received the next day was a message from my Broadband provider telling me that I was about to exceed my Data entitlement which I assume was as a result of the massive Windows Update.
I’m 80 years of age next month and was due to see the vet that day for a check-up and my thoughts were that if my results were not good and I didn't have long I would stick with Windows but the results were extremely good. So, as far as I’m concerned I am likely to live a few years longer and can justify the expenditure of a few quid on something that I can have confidence in and that’s certainly not windows so lookout Apple, here I come and Windows, well you can get stuffed , no more screen freezes, no more massive downloads of data because Windows 10 is crap.

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help with rolling back my P.C. to 8.1.windos
Sep 24, 2016 1:18AM PDT

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH
No wonder we are all getting hacked to death (by hackers)
WINDOWS 10 is unstable in “my opinion and should be put in the bin.
Can anybody help “me by return my good old 8.1 to my P.C.?
I got it already installed from shop but windows 10 found it way on without asking
In addition, as updated to the special new windows again without asking,
“Me! Must have run in Background to upgrade itself (so can anybody help please)
Window 10 doing “my head in now. Nothing works right on “my p.c.
(A desktop computer)
Please can anybody help with simple instruction please (am an old man)
It takes “me sometime to input information (sink in that is)
“I can follow good information on a paper instruction maybe some can email the instruction?
“I thank you for your help (look forward to replies to this problem)
P.C name ACER shows windows 10 logo
Processor Intel(R) core(TM) i3-3220 CPU@ 3.30GHz 3.30GHz
Installed memory (RAM) (5.87GB usable) Operating
System type 64 bit based Processor

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Is the system stable?
Sep 24, 2016 1:23AM PDT

Im not a techi - Im a silver surfer but Ive had a computer for about 20 years now!! I couldnt upgrade to the free version because my Samsung lappie wasnt compatible with the download Sad I spent weeks on and off trying to sort it but gave up and I bought a new HP laptop with 10 already installed.

I didnt like the layout at all at first as I couldnt quickly go to programs I wanted or look for files so easily but I got used to that.

What worries me is that on a new laptop I get messages such us Critical process died and I have to wait for it to be sorted. This morning I turned on my lappie and I see that a repair is taking place to C drive ??? And I sat there watching the percentage sorted going up and wondering if it would be ok.

I am concerned that the win 10 software is unstable and that I am continually going to get these sort of messages and possibly worse with the loss of work.

Ive also had a real problem with my network for printing. Spent ages trying to sort that out as I kept getting messages on my win 10 laptop that my printer was offline when it wasnt Sad

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Re: rollback
Sep 24, 2016 1:28AM PDT

The Windows 10 upgrade (from 8.1 to 10) had a rollback period of 30 days. The upgrade from version 1511 to version 1607 also can be rolled back, as long as there is a windows.old folder on your c:-drive. But most likely it will be applied again automatically, although you can postpone it for a few months.

If it's too late to do that rollback to Windows 8.1, all you can do is a clean install. How to do that depends on what disks you got when you bought it, if you made recovery disks, and if the original recovery partition (Acer's e-recovery) still works after the Windows 10 upgrade. I think it's best it you have it done by the shop.

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Are You Loving or Hating Windows 10?
Sep 24, 2016 1:28AM PDT

I found three problems with Windows 10. After doing two reinstalls of Windows 10, I found that Windows didn't recognize my dvd drive. I had to do work arounds. Another problem is that Windows 10 will sometimes uninstall programs without your permission. And I was unable to do the anniversary update (upgrade) without uninstalling my antivirus programs first. I guess this problem is related to having Windows Defender antivirus and antispyware built into the system. Other than these problems I found Windows 10 to be a good operating system.

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Easy to decide using Virtual Machines
Sep 24, 2016 1:32AM PDT

My main machine is a Mac, and I use Windows for only a few programs (like Microsoft Access) that won't run on a Mac. I also have a few legacy programs in Windows that I keep rather than shelling on $$ to get the Mac version or equivalent. I've solved the 7 vs 10 issue by simply setting each up in a Virtual Machine using Parallels. I mostly use 7 because it's easier to customize, and I can keep MSFT mostly out of my machine. I keep a copy of 10 around to run a few things (like Office 2016) that run better in 10.

As other posters have replied, it all depends on what you need to do in Windows.

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Windows 10 Upgrade
Sep 24, 2016 1:54AM PDT

I cannot find any W10 drivers for SCSI adapters.
Need to make sure existing and desired hardware is supported and drivers available are stable.
Also that all existing and desired software is compatible and will run without problems.

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Network Discovery doesn't work!!
Sep 24, 2016 2:17AM PDT

Hi,
In general it is good, but there is one thing that M$ need to sort out:
Network Discovery and P2P networking.
It just doesn't work!!
The only way to get to shares on other machines is to use their IP address??
Try and access shares in any other way and you just get:
'Network Discovery is turned off, etc'.
If you try and turn Network Discovery on, nothing happens?
This must be a relatively simple fix, since network discovery worked on
previous versions of Windows.
Come on M$ you can do better then this!!

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This is a "Hate" message !
Sep 24, 2016 2:19AM PDT

Hello Everyone,

My answer to the question is basically, I hate it!

This should be quantified and I shall now relate why, for me, it is unsatisfactory.

For reasons not related to this discussion, I needed to obtain a laptop to use when away from home where I use a desktop – with W7 Ultimate installed. I live in Spain and, as my technical understanding of Spanish is not too good, I had to obtain a copy in English which was an extra expense.

The laptop, Lenovo G585 bought in Spain, came with W7 Home Premium installed in Spanish. I have managed with this for a couple of years until the offer to upgrade to W10 for free was on offer. Unfortunately, living in Spain I had no choice but to upgrade to the Spanish version – this often happens with ordinary downloads too, with some downloads there is frequently no choice of language either during the download or afterwards in the downloaded programme.

I followed all the instructions and, as instructed, removed all my anti virus and malware programmes – Malwarebytes and Sophus - before the Install.

The first intimation of any “problem” came when I was unable to re-install Sophus and on contacting Sophus they could not, or would not, assist me to reinstall it. So, I re-installed AVG Free.

After all the “hassle” of upgrading, which was quite stressful for me, being well past my sell-by date and not understanding all the Spanish instructions properly during this time, I had to resort to multiple uses of my dictionary, so the process took quite a long time.

I had been instructed to choose an email address and password to secure the new upgrade, so I chose my Hotmail address and then closed down the laptop. This has caused me untold problems, not connected with this discussion, but I have had to resign from my Google Group because of it!

On starting it up the next day, the name of the laptop briefly flashed onto the screen and then the blue Windows Icon appeared in the centre of the screen - - and stayed there - indefinitely!

After about 20 minutes, not having any other choice, and knowing that I had to cut off the power as there was no other way to contact the laptop, I pressed the power button and after a brief moment the computer shut down.

On opening it the next morning, I had to follow the same routine, wait for the icon to appear in the centre of the monitor then cut the power and restart – And even up until this time this is the only way to get my W10 to open, otherwise the icon will stay on the monitor indefinitely.

When using the laptop previously, I had found the best location was on the table in the kitchen, and I used a USB extension with a SWEEX signal enhancer hanging out of the window in a stick, to pick up our nextdoor neighbour’s WiFi signal.

However, now I cannot get a signal on the kitchen table and even though I am reliably informed that the layout of my neighbour’s computer and modem etc has remained unchanged, I have no benefit from the signal enhancer and I keep losing the signal, so I have had to move the laptop to the top of the washing machine in the small washroom annex beside the kitchen and close to the window – a very cramped position.

I use Yahoo Mail for my main email contact use and now I keep getting a notice from Yahoo that there is 'no internet connection' and Yahoo freezes. Often at this time I am either listening to an internet radio programme or using an alternative email but always, the internet is connected. This obviously is a Yahoo problem, and not a W10 problem, but it has only started happening, coincidentally, since the upgrade.

There is, apparently, a search programme with W10 called Cortana – of course with my luck, this is unavailable in Spain and I have to way to search from that!

I have done malware scans with my two programmes and also the extremely lengthy one with Windows Defender – all have showed “no malware found.” However, now everything I type takes many seconds to appear on the screen, sometimes as long as ten to fifteen seconds, whether it is on an email or on Microsoft Word in my Office 2010 programme. (And also this message is afected too!)

I have managed to navigate to the “computer” and I find that W10 is not even mentioned, but it still shows “Windows 7_OS (CHappy 337GB available from a total of 420; Lenovo (DHappy 23.2GB available from a total of 25.4GB;

So, in fairness to W10, I would say that maybe my inability to translate properly from Spanish may have a large part of the blame, but I cannot say that there is anything that I actually “like” about this W10, when I compare it to the W7 programme that I used to have.

I am aware that W10 is ‘here to stay’ And that if I were to revert to W7, eventually there would be no help or updates from Microsoft after a certain time and like XP; which I used to have on my desktop, would be obsolete or at the best obsolescent.

I have W10, I don’t like it one little bit, but I don’t seem to have a choice. I must, therefore, accept technology’s advance - or stay in the past!

I find navigation around the laptop now extremely difficult and, for many other reasons, I wish I had not got W10.

Regards,

Colinito

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you are perfect candidate...
Sep 27, 2016 7:59PM PDT

...for a switch to a modern Linux distro like Mint, Ubuntu, Zorin, etc.

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Not on Older laptops
Sep 24, 2016 2:19AM PDT

Works fine on my pc's but not on my laptops. going back to win7 on the laptops. One of them has a black monitor, the other the drivers don't work, and the manufacturers of both are not planning on updating the drivers any time soon, so back to win7 we go.

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I hate Windows 10
Sep 24, 2016 2:28AM PDT

The latest update screwed up Intel Rapid Storage. When I right clicked on the icon I got the message it had stopped. I couldn't open the program. Also Windows Defender had a red X on the icon even after an update and a scan. I received a low memory message while using my security cameras and I have 16G of ram so I rolled Windows 10 back to the previous version.I don't know what will happen when I try to update the next October update.

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Highly stable but two major issues
Sep 24, 2016 2:33AM PDT

Highly stable - almost never have crashes. You can turn off all the annoying (to me) features like cortana and bing and continue to work the way you used to, if you are something of a power user.. Design is clunky but you get used to it.

The first major issue was installation. I installed Win10 on my desktop and 3 laptops and desktops for other people. On every one of those there were issues with drivers and peripherals. I could, with some effort (hours in one case), resolve lost connectivity to printers and the like. But had to get in a professional to fix my partner's loss of connectivity to her DVD/CD drive, which he found very challenging.

The second issue is the search. This was unquestionably the best feature of Win 10. a highly integrated, fast and effective search from the taskbar or windows button (Once you change the default from 'search the web' to 'search my stuff'. Quickly find videos, documents, photos etc containing your text string. It would have been better if you could open more than one item, or containing folder, without having to search again, but it was good.

A few months ago, it stopped working for me. Everything was indexed, but nothing was found. I assume it was an update causing this (I keep machine fully up to date). After some time, I realised that if I changed the default search option from 'All' to search specifically for 'photos' or 'documents', say - the required items would be found (thus proving that the items are present and indexed, though Microsoft don't accept this!). But that means doing multiple searches, one for each category that might be relevant. I've had multiple dialogues with Microsoft who have failed to provide any solution before saying they are closing the issue as resolved.

But then, I've had an issue since October 2015 with Outlook.com connectivity that hits me many times every day, and even after being escalated to third level support at Microsoft, no solution is offered except that when Outlook is upgraded the problem may go away. But they can't or won't prioritise that upgrade for me. I'm still waiting.

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Windows 10 no way. I dopn't need it but I have a good plan
Sep 24, 2016 2:40AM PDT

Windows 10 shook me up as it had over 100 entries in the host files for telemetry. You can take care of many of 10s issues but no doubt MS will use updates which for Home users is currently unable to be disabled. This leaves many open to more potential exploits then ever. I have switched to a dual boot Windows 7/Mint 18 Linux setup for my main PC. I can run nearly all my programs in the well knows Wine HQ which is not an emulator but adapts many windows programs to linux at pretty much the same speed. My Brother Network printer combo was easy to setup as Brother supports Linux. HP does but it's a harder setup. Naturally the latest DX11/DX12 games still have many issues bu8t my old favorites like StalkerCOP BIoshock Crysis all run fine on Linux using the free PlayonLinux attachment to wine. MS Office 2013 runs great. My cameras are well supported with native apps. The learning curve is higher but thats for the setup. I use Mint KDE as it looks much more Windows friendly then Ubuntu's normal setup. My wife who knows nothing about Linux can use my PC with 0 issues as it's setup pretty much the same. I have copies already Purchased when I'm forced to switch to Windows 8 in 2020 but refuse to go to a Windows 10 that was shoved down many of my customers throats and has so many potential problems. I'm good through 2023 with that plan. Linux is more popular then ever and by 2023 I'm sure at 62 I'll have it well under control.
JB
Tech for 23 years

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Windows 10
Sep 24, 2016 3:04AM PDT

Is undoubtably the worst operating system ever. It was built to be a spy machine. They tried to force that on windows 8, and 7 users. Unless you have removed the update they tried to force upon you you are still being spyed on. There is a reason the gave it out free for a year. I will be switching to a Mac or linux after 7. Terms of service or not, it is not ok that my OS contacts a server thousands of times an hour and stores my personal data on servers microsoft runs.

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Windows 10
Sep 24, 2016 3:08AM PDT

I forgot to mention unless you have pro or whatever you have no choice to turn auto updates off.

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Not good on a limited connection
Sep 24, 2016 3:13AM PDT

I installed Win 10 on three different computers with high hopes. However, I live in the back woods and have to rely on a cellular modem for broadband. I get good speeds, but Microsoft defines this as a data limited connection since I have a data cap. All three computers refused to properly download updates, or even hardware drivers through windows update. They would report that updates were available, and even cued up, but no matter what I did I could not get them to download. I went back to Win 8.1 on all three, and everything is working properly. Windows 10 was a bust, for me. I am not a computer "newbie" I was an IT specialist at my work place. I have since retired.

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Metered connection
Sep 24, 2016 5:15AM PDT

Meant to say metered connection.